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Why do you believe Choneis is a stub?

Faulkston I want to thank you for helping me with my charater (Choneis), but why do you think I'm a stub? --Deneochris 09:09, 18 March 2008 (PDT)

Jumping in here, a Stub is a short article that can use expanding. It is a tag that is put on articles at the bottom so that the article can be expanded. It's not calling the actual pirate a "stub", it is just a name used for a article. See the usage for more. --Instantflash 09:23, 18 March 2008 (PDT)
This standard message placed on short articles may be a little difficult to parse, especially if English is not one's first language. However the subject of the sentence is the article rather than the pirate which appears in the phrase "about a pirate". -- Faulkston 19:30, 18 March 2008 (PDT)

Flag Page

I was wondering if there was a way to set up my flag page if a crew already has that page name taken, I've looked around and couldn't find anything.

What you're looking for is a disambiguation page. If there's already an article with the same name about a crew, then it can be moved to Name (crew), Name (flag) created and a disambiguation page Name which points to both the crew and flag can be created. Alternatively if the crew and flag with the same name exist on different oceans, then the ocean name in parentheses can be used for disambiguation instead of (crew) and (flag). -- Faulkston 18:19, 20 March 2008 (PDT)
Is it possible you could help me do this? Flag name is Sanctuary.
It's now done although not by me. -- Faulkston 18:59, 2 April 2008 (PDT)

V-I-M-T-O crew page

Ahoy Faulkston,

Is it possible to protect the afforementioned page from editing for a while. I was dismayed to find that the user, wendypepper, had edited the page to include some complete falsaties that were defamatory in nature. This has since been reverted by myself and Aerista, a royal in my flag. Any assistance or advice in this matter would be appreciated. I was referred to you by one of the OM's. Regards. Auntsally. --Roverbabe

There's no need to protect the page. There was only a single offensive edit. I've warned Wendypepper against making such changes again. In the meantime, we'll keep an eye on the page. --Barrister 15:21, 28 March 2008 (PDT)
Thank ye Barrister, it is good to know that the page will be safe without having it protected. --Roverbabe

html vs wiki

Hi. I would like to know what was so wrong about the html list i had on my pirate page (Owlwhisperer), and also why every single PP-related word has to be a link. Thank you.--Saintdiana 10:11, 13 April 2008 (PDT)

Wiki table format is preferred over HTML table format. Not every instance of a Puzzle Pirate word has to be linked to its corresponding article. Generally only the first instance should be linked as otherwise maintenance effort is increased e.g. when disambiguation pages must be created. -- Faulkston 10:51, 13 April 2008 (PDT)

I didn't ask about table, i asked about list. And i didn't say all instances, i said all words. So why all those?--Saintdiana 13:48, 13 April 2008 (PDT)

Same goes for HTML versus wiki syntax lists but unlike wiki table syntax, wiki list syntax has a clear win in simplicity over its HTML counterpart. Not every word in the article is being linked to others, just some of the key Puzzle Pirates concepts. -- Faulkston 19:45, 13 April 2008 (PDT)

Ice Ocean access

Do keep in mind that Ice does allow subscriber privileges to doubloon players. It's just somewhat buggy still. --Thunderbird 23:40, 13 April 2008 (PDT)

I was about to revert my recent change but you beat me to it. -- Faulkston 23:46, 13 April 2008 (PDT)

The Yellow Submarines

You may want to move the crew page for The Yellow Submarines back to its rightful position. This crew does indeed exist; the only reason the page said it was "ficticious" (sic) is because it was copied from a sample skeleton page somewhere. Crew info page on Viridian. --Chupchup 21:36, 23 April 2008 (PDT)

That's weird. I'll change the page text at the same time. -- Faulkston 22:28, 23 April 2008 (PDT)


Are Markurmoose (Malachite) and Markurmoose (Hunter) different users, or simply different-ocean alts of the same user? If the latter, should they not be on one single page? --Belthazar451 20:41, 24 May 2008 (PDT)

There is currently no evidence that the pirates belong to the same player. -- Faulkston 20:54, 24 May 2008 (PDT)

Showhide inside showhide

Hey, could u pls take a look at my page and tell me if i exaggerated with the showhide template? i had the feeling that opening all trinkets at once was too tiring to the eye, and personally i like the current outcome. Thank you. --Saintdiana 14:18, 26 May 2008 (PDT)

I happen to like the clean look of the layout, I'd remove the oceans that have no trinkets and only add them when something there has been attained though.-- Haywoodx(t/c) 14:48, 26 May 2008 (PDT)

Misnamed images

Ahoy! I'm writing this to you because you seem to do a lot with images. Basically, I've been rummaging through Category:Misnamed images and Category:Wrong size images, and I notice that a lot of the pirate images in those categories simply don't have a corresponding pirate page. In such a situation, should I create the pirate page myself and re-upload the image in question to the correct name, or simply add a {{d}} to the image and let you do away with it? Most of them were uploaded long enough ago that the user in question probably isn't going to take care of it. Either way, someone will have to delete the misnamed image, so it doesn't really change the amount of admin work required, just lots of fiddly twiddling with images and pirate pages.

To take Image:Aco.jpg as an example, there is no page named Aco. The pirate Aco probably comes from Viridian - note that while the image in question doesn't appear in the pirate's gallery, the pirate looks the same, and he has a daffodil trophy, indicating he's made more portraits than are in his gallery. --Belthazar451 05:51, 27 May 2008 (PDT)

You can create the pirate articles if you wish and upload the portraits under the correct filenames. However if the player hasn't bothered to create a pirate article, then whatever another editor may create perhaps will remain a bare bones article. In which case the effort probably isn't justified and so, the really old images can just be marked for deletion.
Periodically I've gone through unused uploaded portraits and deleted the ones older than about 6 months as those are unlikely to ever be associated with a pirate article. -- Faulkston 18:09, 27 May 2008 (PDT)
As you've probably noticed, I've been going through the misnamed images which ARE in use, and I've run into something I'm not sure of the best way to handle - namely, extra images on a page that aren't in the infobox. EAC is the perfect example, as is Avista. It seems to me there are three things we can do about it.
  • Firstly, we can just say "no way, off with the images", which seems like a bit of a shame, especially given how well EAC pulls off their gallery.
  • Secondly, we could call the images Flags-flagname-filename.jpg (or Pirates or Crews, or whatever type of page the image is displayed on).
  • Thirdly, we can invent a new image-naming strategy, say Gallery-pagename-filename.jpg
I'm leaning towards option two, but I'm just writing here to see what you think of it. I've not noticed any official policy on this sort of thing, but maybe I'm looking for it in all the wrong places. (Mind you, we also have the "do nothing" option, but that does seem to miss the point of an official naming scheme slightly.) --Belthazar451 00:34, 28 May 2008 (PDT)
Not wanting to pester you, but any word on this? =) --Belthazar451 18:07, 29 May 2008 (PDT)
Second option seems to be the best, since the image name will have a prefix which matches the current image naming scheme. -- Faulkston 18:09, 29 May 2008 (PDT)
Stick with Pirates as the prefix, as the reason for the plural Pirates and not the singular Pirate was that the plural could be used for multiple pirate portraits. For instance, Pirates-Random flag's senior officers.jpg. --Fiddler 19:26, 29 May 2008 (PDT)
Sounds good. Flags-Flagname1-Flagname2.jpg could perhaps be used for alliance group photos. -- Faulkston 19:53, 29 May 2008 (PDT)
I'm not really sure how to put this politely, Fiddler, so don't take it the wrong way, but is your ruling official policy, or just your opinion? Should we be working out some sort of official policy, here? When I find the patience, I'll start with moving the EAC group portraits to Pirates-imagename.jpg as suggested. On a side note, I'm really wishing at the moment that there was a "rename image" option rather than having to download it and re-upload it under the new name... --Belthazar451 20:02, 29 May 2008 (PDT)
Here's a reference on why the particular file name starts with pirates rather than pirate:
YPPedia talk:Style guide - Singular vs. Plural
However the image file name guideline is not totally clear, for example, it states that Flags-flagname should be used for portrait images illustrating flag articles. Does this mean any portrait image used in a flag article, group portraits of pirates from the same flag or the single portrait image which goes in the flag infobox?
Direct further debate to the style guide talk page, as interested parties may not know to look on my talk page. -- Faulkston 20:21, 29 May 2008 (PDT)
The current official policy is generally outlined in YPPedia:Style guide#File Names and the YPPedia:Policies and guidelines documents. If you want to officially bring things up as suggested policy or change to current policy, you need to do so on the policies & guidelines pages, not on the talk pages of individual administrators. The rule for individual pirates has been to only have a single portrait. This was done because pirates already have galleries and there's really no need to store the images on two OOO servers. I don't know that an official policy has been created for allowable numbers of group portraits. However, I do know that the current policy for image naming that's most used is as Fiddler stated and is see on the style guide link: Pirates-blahblah.jpg. Just to clarify, Pirates-Piratename1-Piratename2-Piratename3...jpg is what was meant because then the image can be found via search for individual pirate names. See Image:Pirates-Cailet-Tyralan.jpg for an example. --Guppymomma 20:29, 29 May 2008 (PDT)
>The current official policy is generally outlined in (snip)
While that's true, it's a little unclear on what to do in some situations. Like this one. We can't name ALL the images on EAC Flags-EAC.jpg, after all, as then they'll all have the same name. Neither policy page contains any restrictions on the number of images that can be placed on a page, but neither do they have any provisions for having more than one image.
>If you want to officially bring things up as suggested policy or change to current policy, you need to do so on the policies & guidelines pages, not on the talk pages of individual administrators.
This wasn't originally intended to be a discussion on official policy. It just turned out that way...
>Just to clarify, Pirates-Piratename1-Piratename2-Piratename3...jpg is what was meant because then the image can be found via search for individual pirate names.
That can get rather painful for six- or seven-pirate portraits. And possibly the example you provided wasn't the best example - according to the official naming policy, that image should probably be called Crews-The Irken Elite.jpg, since it falls under the heading of "portrait images illustrating crew articles"(to quote the official policy) - namely The Irken Elite. --Belthazar451 20:54, 29 May 2008 (PDT)

Policy debate continues here. -- Faulkston 21:19, 29 May 2008 (PDT)

Merging help

Faulston im the owner of Emp and Empire and i think Merging Emp into Empire is a great idea but the name Empire is already taken on the Malachite ocean and i dont conrol that Empire mabey we can make it to where when you click on Malachite ocean it goes to Emp. Sincerely, Thekid371

Just to jump in here, different-named alts is what the pirate infobox's pirate2 parameters are for. You can find more detailed usage notes for the template on its talk page, including instructions on how to use the pirate2 parameters. I've already added the lines to your Empire page so you can see how it works. --Belthazar451 17:56, 28 May 2008 (PDT)
Currently there's no article for the Malachite Ocean pirate named Empire, so no redirect is necessary for now. -- Faulkston 18:24, 28 May 2008 (PDT)
Right now not in the wiki but on the ocean itself there is in fact a Empire that i dont control. -Thekid371
If you believe it is so important to make the distinction, add a note in the Empire article stating that Emp on Malachite was created since the name Empire was already taken on that ocean. -- Faulkston 19:51, 31 May 2008 (PDT)

Ocean "drops"

My pirate (Owlwhisperer) sails several oceans, and in discussing her achievements, i find it tiring to repeat the ocean names. I tried using the ocean teardrop icons from the greeter list by language. I would like to know if i am allowed to borrow them.--Saintdiana 17:22, 30 May 2008 (PDT)

I don't believe it's tiring to repeat the ocean names. It is not encyclopedic to have images where only 1 or 2 words would fit. Also the ocean drop icons also aren't self-explanatory at a first glance. -- Faulkston 18:28, 30 May 2008 (PDT)

Check on this

faulkstone i have noticed a problem in the Viridian blockades.

  1. 4.1 January 2008
  2. 4.2 Febuary 2008

in January 2008 Collateral Damage transfered terra island to Regnum Irae and in Febuary a BK attacked Terra and the defender was Collateral Damage. I personally dont understand this but if it can be fixed please leave a message on my talk page.

Sinceraly, Thekid371

I'm not sure if this is the same issue I'm thinking about but they sold it to a private buyer (Mantisray), who happened to be in Regnum Irae but it wasnt an official transfer. I cannot remember the purchaser but I do remember asking Mordin about it. The island never officially left Collateral Damages hands and they put no effort in the defense after the the private purchaser made the deal.-- Haywoodx(t/c) 20:01, 31 May 2008 (PDT)

If it was a Private buy and wasnt Offically bought than why did someone put up a notice of the island being transfered if it really wasnt. I really think putting up a false island transfer should result in a 2 day ban from the yppedia because that could throw everyone off guard on blockades and leave people with questions like mine but i will try to look into it further. Thekid371

I could have been a simple mistake by any editor updating the List of Governors and assuming the Flag held by the named Governor of Terra was indeed the Island holding flag; which isn't always the case. by user:Alfwyn suggests that such a scenario did occur without any purpose of malice or misdirection.-- Haywoodx(t/c) 21:00, 31 May 2008 (PDT)

Please continue the discussion on the Viridian blockade history talk page. I don't log onto the Viridian Ocean very often and also those who might know about the situation may not know to look on my talk page. -- Faulkston 21:03, 31 May 2008 (PDT)


faulk can you change aftermath from a flag to a crew because that is what it is a crew you know that i am a SO in the crew so could we change it to a crew from a flag? -Thekid371

Just to let you know: new talk goes on the main talk page rather than in the archive. As for your request, the information currently listed at Aftermath is that for a former flag which has gone dormant. Since we like to keep information about old things, I've moved the currently existing page to Aftermath (defunct flag). You'll need to create a new page of your own in the newly-vacated space. --Belthazar451 20:22, 1 June 2008 (PDT)