Talk:Trophy

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Diamond crab

This needs to be added see Shooshy on Sage [here]

Should it be listed as 10000-15000? crabs, per the [this] and [this]. --Hvhtim 14:24, 12 December 2006 (PST)

New trophy layout

I've made a mockup table layout for the trophies here - feedback on that por favor :) --Sagacious ^(talk) 17:17, 24 October 2006 (PDT)

It may be a smaller amount of space, but I like the current format better... I like the 2 dimensions (current) better than the three dimensions (proposed), just seems more organized. --KingOfZeal 17:31, 24 October 2006 (PDT)

After thinking this over a bit, I'm gonna make a new section for Blockade Trophies. Seems like there are enough of those to merit its own section. Sashamorning 11:44, 20 December 2006 (PST)

Systematic Trophy Names

I propose that we rename the existing trophy files so they are systematic. For example:

• Ultimate bilge trophy.png instead of Ultimate-Bilge.png
• Ultimate of ultimates trophy.png instead of UltUlt-Trophy.png

--Piplicus 13:16, 2 November 2006 (PST)

I'll see you and raise you a Trophy- prefix instead of tacking it onto the end. :) --Guppymomma 13:37, 2 November 2006 (PST)

Sounds good... if you wanna be the one to do it ;-) --Sashamorning 07:41, 3 November 2006 (PST)

I'll take care of it. --Barrister 07:53, 3 November 2006 (PST)

Yay for Barrister! --Guppymomma 09:29, 3 November 2006 (PST)

Finished. I used the in-game names for all the trophies, although I had to omit the # sign for the #1 trophies. --Barrister 10:15, 3 November 2006 (PST)

I heartily endorse Barrister and his fine work. Cheers! --Muffynz 10:40, 3 November 2006 (PST)

Looks great! I used the new format for the new crab trophies... --Sashamorning 20:12, 3 November 2006 (PST)

How about we switch the .PNG to .JPG, so we can allow the Skellie Slayer Trophy to be Visible, instead of a red block. (If this is fairly unintelligent, please tell me, I'm fairly new to Editing) This would mean each of the .PNG Trophies need to be converted to .JPG, which I would do if needed. --Jack_JK 14:20, 2 December 2006 (PST)

No. We are not switching from PNG to JPG. You need to state exactly what browser, browser version and operating system you are using. All the trophies show up just fine for me in both firefox and internet explorer on windows. --Guppymomma 15:04, 2 December 2006 (PST)

Jack, your browser may be refusing to show .png for some reason. However, the graphics themselves are .png, so they need to stay that way. Sashamorning 15:30, 13 December 2006 (PST)

Trophies for Levels of Achievement Layout

I don't really like this layout, but it deals with the different numbers of spotted trophies. Cedricshock

I made the current layout, and while I'm not married to it, this new layout looks more like the old one I was trying to get away from. What I really didn't like about the old layout was a long list of pictures, which is what this seems to be returning to. Maybe the crab section just needs to be split away, but I think that the crabs will be fine as is. There are only four crabs, and that works well enough as a 2x2 (and I left a space for it). --Sashamorning 20:05, 3 November 2006 (PST)

I'm workin' out a new layout - we need one that wastes much less space all over... --Sagacious ^(talk) 11:55, 6 November 2006 (PST)

Proposed layout at present --Sagacious ^(talk) 12:10, 6 November 2006 (PST)

Has promise. Seems much cleaner I think and easier to maintain as the size is smaller. /me approves. --Muffynz 12:20, 6 November 2006 (PST)

One thing about it is that it's narrow. There's a lot of free space haning around with no purpose. Though I pretty much equally like the present one and yours, Sagacious :] Furiss 19:10, 6 November 2006 (PST)

I really like this Sagacious, I didn't try making it because of the 3 trophy row problem already mentioned. Having seen it and thinking about it more I think we can run with it. Eventually it will need to be decoupled from one whole table to avoid having least common multiple number of cells. I was going to try a more encyclopaedic layout iwth paragraphs and small tables per acheivement, which is one way this can go when we hit the LCM problem. Another direction is separate tables, we just need to keep editing reasonably easy. Cedricshock

I really like your proposed layout sagacious. since the skellie hunter and head hunter trophies are simular as in skellie fights, could they be side by side with a space between the two blocks of trophies? its hard for me to try to explain what im thinking, but im thinking it may help to free up more space. --Celiatr 16:53, 6 November 2006 (PST)

Duplicated and played with the layout - there is a second version on the same page as the first - I think that's what you meant. --Sagacious ^(talk) 12:24, 7 November 2006 (PST)

I like the second one very much. Putting the cart before the horse, however, please keep in mind that there are 3 skull trophies, 3 fray trophies, 2 gold trophies, 4 crabs, 3 KBs, and 3-4 flag trophies. We don't have to deal with all of them now, but those trophies are coming... --Sashamorning 14:58, 7 November 2006 (PST)

YES! and each row would be like items like how you have it. skellie related, then forage/pillage related (blood/gold), and such, i think it may work well. just depends on what others think--Celiatr 12:39, 7 November 2006 (PST)

As I'm not familiar with this area of wiki coding, I have a question. Is there any way you can bold certain lines but keep other lines at their original thickness. For example, a bold line surrounding the trophies for skulls and the criteria for them would separate them from the others, but keep the inner separation lines the normal thickness. Same for the other groups. If you can do that, I think the overall layout is swell. Did I just say swell? --Muffynz 14:04, 7 November 2006 (PST)

It's certainly possible - but it has a tendancy to make the code messy to read/edit. --Sagacious ^(talk) 15:06, 7 November 2006 (PST)

I would suggest that when the layout is fully done and we are all somewhat satisfied with it's basic attributes and overall looks, someone should write a trophy template (possibly a few of them). That would make it easy to manage and minor layout changes could be done swiftly. Also i think that would probably make it easier for big layout changes to take place - as lone as we would keep backwards compatibility. I would volunteer (however that's spelled :]) to do the basics as long as Sagacious would fill in the looks. But I guess it's not really worth the try until we get a decent compromise on what information should be it a trophy section and the general grouping rules for leveled trophys. Furiss 06:57, 12 November 2006 (PST)

I lurve templates and tables - one of my favourite things to code. Having said that - usually templates are only useful for when there are lots of things to present - and I don't think right now the tables are complex enough to warrant templates. I am not sure it would make the code any simpler to add to in this case. --Sagacious ^(talk) 08:58, 12 November 2006 (PST)

If the Golden Cannon trophy is achieved by loading 1000 cannons, it should be moved up to "Trophies for Levels of Achievement". -- Angara 10:10, 14 November 2006 (PST)

I moved it back down to the bottom of the page. Just because it's awarded for a certain number doesn't mean it's a "level." (See Map and Brew... which makes me think, hmm... maybe I should try spending 10k on the old salts.) When I made the Levels section, I was envisioning the levels like KB, crabs, etc. The idea may have changed by consensus, but I don't think so. Besides, we haven't established that there's a higher level above Golden Cannon, so IMHO it shouldn't be in the Level section. Sashamorning 15:28, 13 December 2006 (PST)

With that line of logic, shouldn't first gold also be moved down to the bottom, at least until we *know* there's a "tenth gold", etc? Airwoman ros 22:00, 13 December 2006 (PST)

True, along that line, probably. But I guess I mean that I *highly suspect* that there is not another Cannon, and I'm willing to roll the dice that there's another Gold. Sashamorning 21:36, 19 December 2006 (PST)

I agree with Airwoman ros - at the moment, while we can highly suspect that from graphics files there's another gold trophy and no cannon trophy, that trophy is unconfirmed - just as previously (and still) it was considered that we shouldn't put in *suspected* information. Highly suspected is still suspected, not proven; especially with the confusion as to which other trophies might be available, switched off, etc. --Firien 01:07, 12 January 2007 (PST)

I think there needs to be a separate section for the limited edition trophies (Ship in a Bottle and Pink Heart). Doesn't really make sense to leave them in the achievement section when you can't get them anymore. --Kierra214 03:45, 1 February 2007 (PST)

Fixed as suggested; also moved the first gold trophy as mentioned just above, since it's not currently a level of achievement. When (if) there's another trophy found then it'll move back up... at the moment we have the added bonus that it's all neater too :) --Firien 13:44, 8 February 2007 (PST)

Good call. Looks great. ^_^ Sashamorning 14:16, 8 February 2007 (PST)

Lock page?

Can we temporarily lock the page as there seems to be a bunch of people who are insisting on editing the page repeatedly with incorrect information. Cheers --Whitemonkey 07:49, 1 December 2006 (PST)

Trophies on other pages

I'd like to add trophies to other non-trophy pages. For example, I'd like to add the Crab trophies to the Bilging page under a Related Trophies section (without explicitly listing the requirements). The Battered Hat would get listed under blockades, bilging, sailing, and carpentry. And so on. My concern is that this is too spoiler-ish. Opinons? --Barrister 20:35, 19 December 2006 (PST)

Mmm, I get your point about spoilering, but... in the case of the crab trophies, for example, I'd consider it to be just plain common sense that it's somehow linked to bilge. (Of course, this is with the caveat that common sense is rarely common or sensical!) Maybe add trophies that are "obviously" linked to a puzzle or action, but not include ones that require some explaination or convolution? --Ponytailguy 20:37, 19 December 2006 (PST)

How does one determine what requires explanation or convolution? That'd be one of those gray areas people would disagree on and possibly lead to repeated page edits over an opinion as to whether a trophy is too spoiler-ish to be on said page. However, the idea has encyclopedic merit but I think it would have to be an instance where either all the trophies were categorized on these related pages or none are. Trying to draw boundaries would only lead to confusion.--Muffynz 21:00, 19 December 2006 (PST)

Maybe? --Sagacious ^(talk) 05:00, 21 December 2006 (PST)

That sounds delicious Segacious!--Arminius 13:40, 21 December 2006 (PST)

Okay. I like that idea. Let me whip up a template for marking spoilers so we're consistent across pages. --Barrister 16:17, 21 December 2006 (PST)

Looks good to me.--Muffynz 23:07, 21 December 2006 (PST)

Hmm, I've added the relevant ones to Bilging but I'm not convinced that a user will see the warning before seeing the images. --Barrister 08:46, 22 December 2006 (PST)

I have a coding idea - but I'm unsure if our version of MediaWiki supports it...--Sagacious ^(talk) 08:49, 22 December 2006 (PST)

Try integrating some features from {{showhide}} ^(Usage). The only difficulty will e that you'll need to include everything inside of the template as Mediawiki will automatically close div tags at the end of a template. You can see this functionality in use on Silverdawg. --Fiddler 09:06, 22 December 2006 (PST)

Whee - edit flood. It's not easily templatable because of table parameters (aka the stupid '|' !) - but substing the 'Spoiler' and 'endspoiler' templates works fine. --Sagacious ^(talk) 09:34, 22 December 2006 (PST)

Yeah, sorry, I meant to warn you about that too. I can try later, but perhaps laying out the trophies in a gallery as opposed to a table would work.--Fiddler 10:45, 22 December 2006 (PST)

I'm playing with it and it seems gallery wastes too much space for such small images. --Sagacious ^(talk) 11:34, 22 December 2006 (PST)

I did a minor test on your Sandbox. Since it's all going to be hidden anyways, I think using the gallery so that the show/hide code can be templated as opposed to subst: in the code is a better solution. This way it's less code, more content in the actual article.--Fiddler 12:46, 22 December 2006 (PST)

Requirements on this page

On a related note, would it be a good idea to use {{showhide}} ^(Usage) to hide the specific requirements on this page, so that a reader could view one particular trophy without spoiling them all?--Fiddler 07:38, 17 January 2007 (PST)

On the other hand when attempting to read about a few/all trophys one would have to showhide each piece of text relating to each trophy. That is soooo not user friendly. Furiss 13:04, 17 January 2007 (PST)

Although it would create lots of pages, it seems that it would be more appropriate for a one page per trophy system. So, the reader would look up "Golden Cannon" and get directed to a page only about that trophy. --Barrister 10:59, 19 January 2007 (PST)

With that system, I suppose you could use the trophy page as kind of a directory to link to all the individual pages with no requirements listed there. Just have the info on the specific page. Not sure if I'd still be in favor of a {{showhide}} ^(Usage) on the individual pages or not. --Muffynz 11:12, 19 January 2007 (PST)

Now this idea seems even less appealing to me than the {{showhide}} ^(Usage) thing. How would I inspect some recent trophy news (requirement updates) if I were to travel through at least 10-15 pages for each trophy? Now i would rather click a number of "show" links. Anyway You should think "User Interface" and not "Corporate Politics".Furiss 15:23, 19 January 2007 (PST)

We're having this discussion so that we can reach consensus on what would work best. We welcome your opinions, but please don't take potshots at other people. None of the contributors in this discussion work for Three Rings, so "Corporate Politics" does not play a role. --Barrister 16:58, 19 January 2007 (PST)

You misunderstood my intentions, Barrister. What I meant to say is that You're not thinking about the consequences to the usability of the trophy page to an average user - one, who doesn't care if this is a spoiler or not. "Corporate Politics" in this case is the way of thinking: how to be more along the non-spoiler line. And the "Corporation" behind this would be (in this case) the regular wiki editors, who constantly think through things already done quite ok. The main factor in the discussion floated (as You may have not noticed) from "SHOULD WE hide trophy info?" to "HOW to do it?". I'm thinking that my ideological SHOLUD WE was totally ignored for unknown reasons and just covered by the technical HOW. Why is that?...

Anyway i see that I'm outnumbered in this topic anyway so just skip my little rant and go on with the "HOW".Furiss 08:41, 24 January 2007 (PST)

If we can encourage the devs to update YPPedia's Mediawiki version to the latest, then we can use sectional redirects to redirect things like 'Golden Cannon' to the relevant section where it appears on this article. --Sagacious ^(talk) 08:46, 21 January 2007 (PST)

Notes

Maybe worth mentioning that KB won in the navy doesn't count for the trophies.

Oops! Yesterday I won KB in the navy and didn't get the Mug trophy. Today won KB again and got it. This pirate hasn't won any other KB, and the trophy came for the second win. What gives?

Possibly the first KB was looted by the brigand from a player ship, and then was looted by you. Since the KB wasn't spawned with the brigand, perhaps it doesn't count.

Ice Ocean Trophies

Is it worth hiding the Ice Ocean trophies section with a show/hide box. I'm just thinking about anyone who likes to keep future game developments a surprise? --Sagacious ^(talk) 08:43, 21 January 2007 (PST)

Nah. It's at the bottom, and I just don't expect much of a lag between trophies on Ice and their release to production oceans. --Barrister 15:46, 22 January 2007 (PST)

I find your lack of faith disturbing. --Cephalopod 22:24, 23 January 2007 (PST)

Oh, it's not faith in the developers. It's faith that the players will storm Three Rings' offices with torches and pitchforks if there's a long delay.... --Barrister 22:59, 23 January 2007 (PST)

They're nor storming it yet,aren't they? And the extended blockade system (which new trophys are a part of) is still "on Ice". :] Furiss 08:47, 24 January 2007 (PST)

Well, the maneuoueouvers are now live, but the new trophies aren't yet. Depending on how simple it is to tweak the mechanism to give trophies for random things, I still think Cephalopod should be throwing in utterly random trophies on ice as a smokescreen for the real ones... keeps the rest of us guessing, keeps him laughing, keeps speculative trophies off a page that isn't supposed to be speculative... ;) I'll even happily create dud art for you, Ceph! That way you don't even have to convince Nemo or other arrrtists to spend time playing with the players' poor minds... --Firien 13:51, 8 February 2007 (PST)

I don't think this is true actually. Creating one or two dummy trophys is ok, but the trophys i am talking about (the ones that are maneuver related) consist of a large ammonut of arts (i won't give the exact number. you can spoil it for yourselves - you know how) nearly half of which are unique pieces. Also a few of the arts were replaced by new ones probably due to ambiguity of the former, though i managed to keep the old ones just for my own archival purposes. Maybe after they go live and get discovered I can get a permission to publish those replaced arts though i don't think the OOO staff would let me do it. [if those are corporate secrets pleas censor the last two sentences]. So anyway it's rather a tweaking job than being a cruel designer. -- Furiss 18:10, 8 March 2007 (PST)

Blockade trophies

Since it appears that there are now multiple levels of trophies for the different blockade duty puzzles, it may be wise to categorize the table into the separate duties, rather than place all the tokens together, etc. Here's the suggested format (and, ugh, spacing needs to be fixed)... see what you think. Sashamorning 05:09, 12 April 2007 (PDT)

I'm going to go ahead and add it to the trophy page... I have full faith that it'll be changed if someone objects. Sashamorning 10:02, 12 April 2007 (PDT)

Table formatting

Can someone fix the formatting in the tables? As a creator of some of the tables, I'll admit they look terrible, but I don't know how to fix it. =( Thanks! Sashamorning 21:40, 21 April 2007 (PDT)

I made a different table for Achievement Trophies, 3 across instead of 2. You can see it on my user page. Techhead

The problem with that is people with lower-resolution screens - the Blockade Maneuvers tables are WAY too wide for most people, as they almost fill my 1440-pixel-wide screen. Although I agree the 3-across looks better, someone with a 1024x768 monitor would not :) -- Thefirstdude ^(t/c) 06:02, 26 April 2007 (PDT)

Made a new version with tighter columns, and rearranged order for formatting purposes. Techhead 18:27, 28 April 2007 (PDT)

More Trophies

I have found more trophies and am adding it.
Twejoel 06:26, 10 May 2007 (PDT)

Have these trophies been verified as belonging to some pirate on a production ocean yet? If not, they shouldn't be added. --Tcarr 08:31, 10 May 2007 (PDT)

If you can provide the names of the Pirate(s) and Ocean that have these trophies, then I'd say they could say. If not, they go. Looks like someone was snooping in the game files.--Celiatr 09:06, 10 May 2007 (PDT)

Bia has an "unchiseled potential" trophy anyone know what this is, should this be included

We've already caught it - Trophy#Achievement_Trophies. It's for particiaption in GCPP. --Sagacious ^(talk) 05:40, 20 May 2007 (PDT)

Yeah but shouldn't it be in the historical trophies section, or will more "Unchiseled Potentials" be awarded? --Furiss 11:16, 21 May 2007 (PDT)

GCPP continues. We are currently in round 2. I'm sure that there will be more Unchiseled Potential trophies awarded, after round 2 ends. Then there is supposed to be a round 3, followed by a round 4, possibly followed by..... --Tcarr 11:43, 21 May 2007 (PDT)

Looking over the Achievement Trophies now, it seems few of them are actually representative of achievements. Perhaps a new section is needed entitled "Miscellaneous trophies" in which the Map and Brew, First Gold, Daffodil, and Unchiseled Potential could reside, as none of those seem to represent achievements, per se? -- Thefirstdude ^(t/c) 12:25, 21 May 2007 (PDT)

Totally agree with this. --Arminius 12:31, 21 May 2007 (PDT)

Unreleased trophy art

I'm not talking about the unreleased trophys. I'm takilng about discarded graphics for existing trophys. Like Seal of the tackle for instance (displayed below). Shouldn't we add them to some trivia section, or to this talk or maybe Ringers don't want those to be shown?

Sow whatta You say? --Furiss 11:31, 21 May 2007 (PDT)