User talk:Guppymomma/decaytest

Soooooooooooo...I don't suppose any rabid wiki folks here that have a character on Cobalt would like to take these items to track them for a few days for me at any point in this decay tracking time. :) It would just require logging in once a day at about 11:40 pm EST to check all the items :) --Guppymomma 20:52, 21 November 2005 (PST)

I wouldn't mind doing it, except 11:40 pm EST is 1:40 pm Japan ST, while I'm at work. I could babysit for a weekend, perhaps. -Wmcduff 21:16, 21 November 2005 (PST)

Thanks, I'll keep that in mind if I feel desperation :) I'm not yet up to that point though, maybe another US person will volunteer before then. --Guppymomma 22:06, 21 November 2005 (PST)

I could possibly help out, depending on the days. Most of the time I'd be free. – Yaten ^talk 04:59, 22 November 2005 (PST)

Also, I want to note that it would be nice to officially test all the sword types. If you are willing to commit to logging in once a day at approximately the same time as you had the item delivered (or getting someone else to step in for you when you can't) to track the decay status of the various swords, I actually have a chunk of money on Cobalt that I'm willing to use to let you purchase the sword for tracking. Either I need to recognize you as a trustworthy soul or someone trustworthy will have to vouch for you. I can't pay for the more expensive colors, but at the very least you will have the sword for your use. The only one that's already being tracked is the foil. And no, I'm not buying anyone a backsword to "track" ;) --Guppymomma 08:08, 22 November 2005 (PST)

Just wanted to add that I have a wee bit of money on Midnight as well if someone wants to decay test things there. --Guppymomma 09:24, 27 November 2005 (PST)

Specific item tracking

I've been thinking it's possible that charts decay slower if they're held on a ship instead of in a pirate's inventory. Also, I was talking with Yaten and the idea came up that perhaps interarch charts might be different? The Harmattan-Cochineal chart I have on Viridian has been around for quite some time (more than a month I think, which is what the chart decay period looks like based on the data here). --Thunderbird 21:44, 26 November 2005 (PST)

Feel free to try tracking those. Last I'd heard, someone had dually tracked an inventory map & a ship map with the results being 1 month for both. Right now I'm just tracking an inventory chart purchased from a shipyard so I would know the exact time. Since I'm retired, I don't actually sail so I can't get interarch charts. So if you do an interarch, make sure to record the time that it was pillaged. --Guppymomma 08:17, 27 November 2005 (PST)

Oops. A tad late today.

Whups, got caught up in late night post sticky buns laundry. Ah well. --Guppymomma 22:01, 3 December 2005 (PST)

I'm 99% sure the age of all items eligible to decay one day is updated sometime around Midnight PST. --Thunderbird 22:26, 3 December 2005 (PST)

Woo :) I could test this with an hourly login/check on paintbrushes delivered at different times since I know approximately when that one changes from new to good. It will have to wait for a planned insomnia night or something. Thanks! --Guppymomma 22:29, 3 December 2005 (PST)

Notes on new/good/old

7 Day (2/3/2; 28.6%/42.9%/28.6%)

• Paintbrush

45 Day (10/20/15; 22.2%/44.4%/33.3%)

• Intra-arch map

30 Day (7/13/10; 23.3%/43.3%/33.3%)

• Foil (Red/Yl)
• Bandanas (Or/Blk)
• Stripy knickers (Wh)
• Stripy shirt (Wh)
• Rags (Blue): 7/13/; ; //
• Rags (Navy): 7/13/; ; //
• Laurel (Red/Black): 7//; ; //
• Pants (Yellow/Aqua): 7/13/; ; //

60 Day (13/27/20; 21.7%/45%/33.3%)

• Scarf (White)
• Tricorne (White)
• Skull mug (Blue): 13//; ; //
• Pantaloons: 13//; ; //

90 Day

• Corset (White): 19/40/; ; //
• Gown (White): 19/40/; ; //
• Interarch map: 19//; ; //
• Saber (Green/Yellow): 19//; ; //
• Wrap (Maroon/Black) : 19//; ; //

Just trying to see if it will be possible in the future to use percentages to get the totals based on the number of new days. Conjectures welcome here. --Guppymomma 13:48, 9 December 2005 (PST)

Depending on the map's state in the next two days, my hypothesis is that it's 30%/40%/30% with appropriate rounding. --Guppymomma 20:48, 12 December 2005 (PST)

I'm being foiled by the foil & map. Siiiiiiigh. Perhaps there is no ratio..... --Guppymomma 12:38, 15 December 2005 (PST)

My guess is that they're as close to 25%, 50%, 25% as possible. The paintbrush lasted 7 days before dusting, and if the chart turns old in a day or two, then this might hold. --Thunderbird 13:14, 15 December 2005 (PST)

I'd adjust like that, but the foil says new & old are not equal in percentage.... --Guppymomma 13:19, 15 December 2005 (PST)

Assuming whole percentages (odd term, that) and standard rounding, "new" is 22-23, "good" is 44, and "old" is 33-34 (i.e. 2, 4, and 3 ninths). This fits with the chart so far (looks like it should dust after 45 days) and would indicate that the scarf and tricorne are 60 day items (turning "old" in 7 more days). It doesn't fit with the corset and gown, however, as 19 "new" days would indicate an 84-87 day lifespan. Ah, well--wait and see. --Odiferous 07:27, 19 December 2005 (PST)

Looks like expensive-colored (or fairly, navy) rags have the same life as regular rags. --Yaten ^talk 13:31, 8 January 2006 (PST)

Other notes

Foil 2 delivered 8:34pm EST Dec 9, 2005

bottom rags on newly created alt state new "delivered" Dec 11, 2005

What color? I still theorize that the expensive colors last longer. --Barrister 20:47, 11 December 2005 (PST)

I think it's brown. It's one of the cheap rags. --Guppymomma 20:53, 11 December 2005 (PST)

Tan, probably. – Yaten ^talk 21:07, 11 December 2005 (PST)

Tracking the white rags (top & bottom) that were created 31 Dec 2005 from the stripy set of clothing. They should turn good on uhm 7 January 2005. Unless the blue bottom rags really are right with 8 days of new instead of 7. --Guppymomma 17:46, 2 January 2006 (PST)

Yep with Thunderbird's corrections, the top and bottom white rags confirm the 30 day status of rags as they turned good today. Woo. I'll get something in an expensive color to rag to test Barrister's theory, but I believe they'll also be 30 days. --Guppymomma 09:21, 7 January 2006 (PST)

Striped shirt in the list

Is that striped shirt in the list male or female? It doesn't say. (I just picked up an aqua/aqua male striped shirt) --Thunderbird 02:03, 12 December 2005 (PST)

It's a girly shirt :) --Guppymomma 06:51, 12 December 2005 (PST)

When's day 1?

Is day 1 the day I took delivery, or 24 hours after that? --Barrister 21:20, 12 December 2005 (PST)

The tracking I'm doing on the interarch chart had day 1 on the day I pillaged the chart. If Guppy's doing it differently, I'll adjust mine to match. For consistency and all that jazz. --Thunderbird 14:52, 13 December 2005 (PST)

First day of ownership/existence is how I've been doing it. --Guppymomma 16:47, 13 December 2005 (PST)

I'm still confused. If I take delivery on the 12th, do I make an entry for the 12th? --Barrister 20:30, 13 December 2005 (PST)

Sorry, wasn't clear. Yes :) --Guppymomma 20:40, 13 December 2005 (PST)

Hmm, seems I was doing it slightly differently than everyone else. /me fixes to be in line with everyone. --Thunderbird 14:51, 24 December 2005 (PST)

Nevermind, it appears I was doing it right before. --Thunderbird 16:26, 25 December 2005 (PST)

Trends

The corset, the gown, the interarch chart, and the saber, all changed to "good" on the same day. It looks like we may be able to classify items into decay groups like "45-day items". --Barrister 16:56, 31 December 2005 (PST)

There's a definite 30 day group. Woo. I'll update the numbers/groups in the previous section tomorrow. Happy new year everyone. --Guppymomma 19:33, 31 December 2005 (PST)

I ran some numbers. Items spend 33% of the time as "old", 45% of the time as "good", and the remaining days as "new". This seems to cover all the cases. It's not accurate to describe the "new" period as 22% because of the rounding that occurs for the other two phases. Comments? --Barrister 02:11, 6 January 2006 (PST)

I'm just going to take your word for it for now while I don't feel like number staring :) I think we need to do testing on another thingee...the cleaver to see what percentages that is (and see if it really does last longer than all the rest). Having another even longer number of days example might help to clarify the percentage thingee. --Guppymomma 09:25, 7 January 2006 (PST)

Whoops

It seems I got the acquisition dates wrong for the rags and pantaloons. I knew something looked a little fishy with those two being one day off of the other items of the group they're logically in. Yay for having the doubloon history record the fee from the pantaloons (which I know for a fact were bought the same day as the old pair dusted, resulting in the blue rags). --Thunderbird 22:23, 5 January 2006 (PST)

Some notes

I think it might be useful to track other checkable states for some items, such as whether old clothes/swords can be racked, and when a chart turns to a tattered version in the booty. Also, in regards to some of the item testing, I think both of Zava's items are a day behind in the testing, as they've got the apparent 1-day off look that a couple of my items had yesterday before I fixed them. Only this time in the other direction. --Thunderbird 17:37, 6 January 2006 (PST)

I'm guessing you're correct about Zava's slightly off items too. Maybe a peek at the history will help answer it, I'll check sometime if I have a moment. The more intricate thingees of testing will go smoother now that we've got a basic framework tested out. --Guppymomma 09:23, 7 January 2006 (PST)

I just tried to put my pants on a rack with 2 days left (today=old, tomorrow=old, day after=dust), and it worked. Since we know that 1 day left is unrackable, I think we can draw a conclusion: Items with exactly only one day left cannot be racked. --Barrister 14:08, 27 January 2006 (PST)

Using the decay data

Once we have a few more data points, I'd like to suggest that we start adding decay data to the clothing pages. We can use ? to indicate where additional data is needed (just like we have for sizes of furniture). The decay numbers seem to be 7, 30, 45, 60, and 90, although we should hold off on the 60 and 90 until we verify that items dust as we expect. From now on, we can just measure how long an item takes to go from "new" to "good" and extrapolate. No need to track everything into oblivion after this first batch. (Also, this page could use a good cleanup. :-) ) --Barrister 14:27, 7 January 2006 (PST)

I've added the known decay information to the Decay page as well as the clothing, mug, sword, chart, and paint brush pages. --Barrister 04:43, 26 January 2006 (PST)

Looks good. We still need to test charts on ships just to doublecheck. In theory though, those would just go by calendar days. Also in the decay outline, a word about when day 1 starts and what constitutes a YPP day (between reboots). --Guppymomma 06:39, 26 January 2006 (PST)

Falchion

i had a ylw/ylw Falchion for almost 2 1/2 months before it dusted... i dont know if that information helps you even a little bit but i thought i would tell you --32083 20:12, 12 January 2006 (PST)

Note on decay and not logging in

I suspect that most of my current Viridian outfit's going to dust tomorrow. Based on a few things: The feathered hat, captain jacket and fancy boots were all delivered on October 11 (according to the doubloon history). There were 5 days during which I didn't log in during that time, due to finals and whatnot. The pantaloons in the above outfit dusted on December 15, and were promptly replaced (showing the item there now). If the rest of it dusts tomorrow, that places all three items in the 90 day category, and also confirms that login days for clothes work exactly the same way as they do for badges. Just some thoughts. --Thunderbird 21:47, 13 January 2006 (PST)

Confirmed. 5 things dusted today, the rags, the hat, the jacket, the fancy boots, and my badge. --Thunderbird 14:00, 14 January 2006 (PST)

Maps on ship vs on pirate

Could someone test an intraarch map to see if it ages by calendar days on ships or whatever? I can't do it because I'm a freeloader now. Unless someone wants to put a map on a ship and then loan me the deed until the map turns good. --Guppymomma 14:24, 22 January 2006 (PST)

I wasn't aware there were any restrictions to dropping a chart on the table? But then again, it's been ages since I was last at a rank below Officer. Dropped a Kent-Wensleydale on the ship I've been using on Sage just now, we'll see how long it takes to turn good. My thought is that placing a chart on a ship doesn't affect how long it takes to dust. --Thunderbird 20:02, 27 January 2006 (PST)

As far as I can tell it requires subscription to have active officer privs, at least on sub oceans. Thanks for doing that. We also just want to doublecheck that on a ship means it decays in calendar days, not just the same timeframe thingee. --Guppymomma 07:10, 28 January 2006 (PST)

I had forgotten that I had done something similar on Midnight. I had bought two charts, Lagniappe to Rhinocerous Ridge and Lagniappe to Dugong on the same day. Placed the latter one on a ship to allow a hearty to whisk to Dugong, but never took it off after that. The Lag-Rhino chart dusted yesterday, and the Lag-Dugong chart is gone as well. --Thunderbird 12:50, 2 February 2006 (PST)

Furniture research

I have about five brand-new pieces of furniture to destroy. Anyone want to suggest a research methodology for testing their decay rates? I'd played around with some fish skeletons, but found the results confusing. I could move them around in-scene with no noticeable decay. But placing them and removing them seemed to rot them just fine. Ideas? --Barrister 00:14, 31 January 2006 (PST)

I kicked a slatted crate around about 12 times before it changed from new to good. I don't think it was brand new though. --Thunderbird 00:20, 31 January 2006 (PST)

Shopping spree

I recently came into a lot of money on Midnight. (Poker rules!) I'd like to pick up a whole bunch of items (male and female) and deliver them on the same day. Looking at the list of clothing, swords, and mugs, we still need a lot of data. Is there anything people are testing that I should not order? --Barrister 01:49, 16 February 2006 (PST)

I've now ordered every single piece of clothing in tan (or tan/tan) except the tiara and crown. They should all be available within 48 hours. Also, there's now a shortage of tan cloth on Jorvik Island. --Barrister 02:18, 16 February 2006 (PST)

Hehe. You rock, Barrister. --Guppymomma 07:34, 16 February 2006 (PST)

Sometimes I wonder if Barrister realizes exactly how much booty he kicks. --Eurydice 08:14, 16 February 2006 (PST)

Corset & gown note

Just in case other folks are watching this & wondering about it, I thought I'd put in a note about the corset & gown. They were both being tracked on Cobalt and as far as I can tell the hardware crash reset some days, so I am unlikely to be completing the test in a sure manner. Right now they're 3 days overdue for dusting :P Barrister's saber is still on track on Midnight for 90 day testing. --Guppymomma 08:00, 16 February 2006 (PST)

And today they dusted. Not that it really helps. However, if we're wrong about the 90, then it's not more than 93. --Guppymomma 14:27, 17 February 2006 (PST)

We're done. The saber dusted on day 91, exactly as scheduled. --Barrister 03:59, 12 March 2006 (PST)

Yay! Thank goodness for that saber & Barrister. --Guppymomma 06:52, 12 March 2006 (PST)