Talk:Sashamorning

http://creativecommons.org/licenses/by/2.5/

"Other Rights — In no way are any of the following rights affected by the license: ... The author's moral rights;" discussed as:

"In addition to **the right of licensors to request removal of their name from the work when used in a derivative or collective** they don't like,"

As Sashamorning is the name that I am known by on this site and in this community, I am requesting removal from the derivative work (this page) and the collective (this site). If I need to assert that I don't like the site, I will, but instead I'm trying to be conciliatory and cooperative.

Players have to be allowed the right to remove themselves from the site if they so choose. That falls under the basic moral rights which are alluded to by the CC license. That's part of what makes the CC license so powerful: the ability to opt out, as well as opt in. I created the majority of this work, and the name "Sashamorning" was created by me and is widely identified with the person behind the name who is requesting this change. If it was someone else looking to delete the material, that would be another story.

Since I understand the desire to keep the site for historical purposes, I simply ask that the page be changed to the following, which will allow for the page to be kept in the history.

Sashamorning is captain and first mate of the crew Luminescent Dragonflies and monarch of the flag Deviant Behaviour.

-- Sashamorning 21:20, 1 June, 2010

Let's quote from the Creative Commons FAQ in full:

What are moral rights, and how could I exercise them to prevent uses of my work that I don’t like?

In addition to the right of licensors to request removal of their name from a work when used in a derivative or collective they don't like, copyright laws in most jurisdictions around the world (with the notable exception of the US except in very limited circumstances) grant creators “moral rights” which may provide some redress if a derivative work represents a “derogatory treatment” of the licensor's work. Moral rights give an original author the right to object to “derogatory treatment” of their work; “derogatory treatment” is typically defined as “distortion or mutilation” of the work or treatment that is “prejudicial to the honor, or reputation of the author.” Creative Commons licenses (with the exception of Canada) do not affect any moral rights licensors may have. This means that if you have moral rights as an original author of a work, you may be able to take action against a creator who is using your work in a way you find objectionable. Of course, not all derivative works you don’t like are necessarily “derogatory.”

This reads to me that as a licensor you (the player Sashamorning) can request to remove your name (as author) from work that you contributed to this CC-licensed work, not the work itself. In addition it seems that your "moral rights" (which may not exist in this particular case) grant you the ability to object to derogatory treatment to your work.

However the article is about the pirate character Sashamorning. That such a pirate character exists, belongs to a certain crew and flag, has won a familiar, and other facts are not necessarily derogatory, nor are they necessarily derivatives, of your contributions to this collective CC-licensed work.

An example of this could be seen like so: If Bill Clinton contributed to a CC-licensed blog about human trafficking of Eastern European women to the sex trade in the United States which was then published as a book, he would (and would not) have the following rights:

1) He could ask for his name to be removed from the book.

1a) He could not ask for his articles to be removed from the book.

2) He might be able to have a different article, that heavily quoted or used large sections of one of his articles, removed from the book.

2a) He could not have an article that was critical of his immigration policies removed from the book. The fact that he is a part-author of the collective work is separate from the fact that he is also a subject of the collective work.

This is another example where the line between player and pirate is blurry. In this case I feel that anything regarding the player (love of gold, avatar collection, even ship collections) should be removed while the infobox with the familiar and basic information about the pirate's history should remain. --Fiddler 06:31, 2 June 2010 (UTC)

I agree with leaving the infobox and basic info. --Adrielle ♥ =) 08:36, 2 June 2010 (UTC)

I don't think any of this applies here. Once cc, always cc. Where would we end up, if publishers decided to remove their content from cc... --Kamuflaro 21:12, 3 June 2010 (UTC)