User:Entharion/Iron Trophies Data
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Purpose
The purpose of this page is to gather any and all data related to the acquisition of any of the Iron/Steel Trophies (Pump, Tackle, Hammer) to allow recipients to cross-check the details of their experience at the time of award, thus allowing the actual trigger to be determined and tested.
Organizing and reference method
I am in the process of developing and applying a method to refer to particular comments in an organized and specific fashion. This will help in pointing to evidence that supports proof or disproof of ideas for the trigger(s) of these trophies. Assistance from others on this is welcome. Please PM me or comment on the discussion tab above. Once completed, I will replace this paragraph with an explanation of the method used.
What has been reported so far
Got some info outta Nonpoint, here is what I learned:
Got During Blockade----- Edit: Was Sinking Blockade.
Was Weighty/Legendary when he got it, Although was Weighty/Legendary a while before he got it
Got in IN HIS HOUSE.
Was doing bilge in blockade a bit before
he gets Constant increds.
Does many sea donkeys
Just had a chat with nonpoint, got a bit more information, he seems very certain that he received this in his house while AFK, unfortunatly he doesn't keep chatlogs so cant confirm this.
He claims that in the blockade before he got it he was scoring constant increds and puzzled through the blockade, only getting off station once the blockade was over, could it possibly be a string of X constant increds? Would explain the similar trophies for other duty stations but now why more players hadn't received it, or maybe its for puzzling the entire length of a blockade, again, wouldn't explain why more players dont have it
Well i have the iron pump aswell got it around 1 week or 2 ago.... I too had been blockading for hours doing constant top increds, and i too received it 10 minutes later or naybe less... while lasing around in my shack, hum quite a coincidence.. :) Inceyn, sage
Ok, so I talked to Icenyn a little more. I established she was blockading for hours, with just breaks when she sunk or to change jobs. She is expert/ultimate, and was during the blockade. She was holding constant incredibles.
So I'm seeing some overlap with nonpoint here, but there are a lot of people who do they exact samething they do (job onto blockades for hours and beast bilge).
i was bilging in several blockades, i really think the number of rounds has nothing to do with it as i keps chaging job.. for the info, they were mostly top increds, some were second... for the manoeuvres, im not a manoeuvre freak, so there wernt that many i wouldnt have thought.. but then again over the period of time i was bilging it must have added up. I was bilgin for hours on end, possible 5 hours or more, doing non stop increds possibly 1 or 2 exelents with it but only when i started off... i was awarded the trophy in my shack about 10 minutes after... i think it must be a huge number of consecutive incredibles in a blockade that triggers it.. i cant think of anything else (Inceyn)
I "interviewed" two people on Hunter who received the Iron Pump. They were both bilging in a sinking blockade. One of the said he received after the blockade was over, and the other wasn't sure. They both said they were pulling off incredibles constantly.
My guess is having a sparkly pump for the full 10 minutes? Or maybe half of 10 minutes?
Though if that were true, the first person would have gotten it on the spot. (Unless he remembers it wrong) Mennus (would be helpful to know if both trophies were received in the same or different blockades)
I got the iron pump at the end of the blockade and I was only in rounds 1 and 2. I did only bilge and I pulled no incredibles and every report was excellent. 2 of the ships I was on sank.
edit: also noting that at least one other bilger (i couldn't find anymore names i remembered) does not have the trophy despite being on the same ship (that sank) and pulling better reports than me. (posted by user hfsktr)
Okay, Iron Pump, just got it on Midnight (Veerle)
1) I received it a few seconds before the end of the blockade was broadcasted. (this was BK-defender blockade, not pvp)
2) I bilged from start till the very end (3 rounds), not missing a single DR.
3) I did not top every DR, but only missed 2 full ones and a couple of short minute-ones after sinking / disengaging and hopping to another ship. All the others were top DR.
4) I did not do incredible every DR, allthough the excellents were only on the short ones, all the other DR were incred. (posted by Ikke)
i sank 2 times in the blockade when i got it. i did not participate after 2nd round. i would hazard a guess that it has to do with sinking but that wouldn't explain why other bilgers did not have it despite being on the same ship as me. (posted by hfsktr)
Sigh, this will confuse us now. New Info. Hfsktr on Hunter got it. He didnt get a single incred. It was constant bilge, and it was sinking PvP, but he was only there 2/4 rounds.
my friend just got the iron pump after bilging with good / exellent after a blockade (four rounds). But he only got it like a min into navy bilge after that maybe a delay or somethng? (posted by Rexd24 (Rexd))
(Need friend's name/ocean. Need to confirm details with said person.)
I got mine the second that the end and the winner of the blockade was announced. When I read that others got theirs a bit later, I assumed it was likewise; that they got it the moment that the blockade officially ended (but maybe didn't pay attention to that broadcast in their chat?) ... Verification plz.
This made me assume that the trophy is for something like x% of something during the one specific blockade as a whole. Be it performance on DR, time spent on the station, or whatever else has been suggested, or a combination of it all.
If we could verify that the exact time of receiving the trophy is in fact at the end of the blockade, that would already narrow down some suggestions made, I think.
And for reference, although I wrote it before: I got mine in a BK cade, sank ~5-6 times (? could verify if needed), hopped to next ship quickly. By doing so I didn't miss a single DR nor pay. Performance was: few exc, most incred, bilged full 3 rounds. (Ikke-Veerle)
I was just checking the carpenters around me and saw that someone had the iron hammer has the trophy on display.. but I forgot their name since I had to run and carpent myself like a few seconds after seeing it. Sorry guys, I'm sure someone else will have a link or picture or something.
EDIT - Click me. Chompie[1](posted by Elbeejay)
Sublime/ultimate got the hammer.. i was also ult when i got pump.. related? (Inceyn)
Ohh well, the discussion is about ah iron hammer or pump but I got an Iron Tackle lately during a sinky cade. Have been sailing for 4 rounds.
Have always got Excellent or incred.
Here is my alt pirate page [2] (Chatdor - Flidais)
Just recieved Iron Hammer after the end of sinking blockade. Was carpenting for 2,5 rounds doing excellents and incredibles. Jobbing policy was Elite/even. (Fanwel)
Little clarification please, Fanwel. When you said '2,5' did you mean two out of five rounds? (unknown)
I mean that I was carpenting for 2 full rounds and half of the third, then our flag has withdrawn ships.
Also, I was on 3 or 4 ships, boarding next one after sink. (Fanwel)
I was awarded the Iron Tackle today at the Viridian BK block. Sailed for 2 full rounds, plus almost all of the 3rd. The last segment was split between sails and carp. In round one I had three consecutive segments of incredible, the rest were about a 50/50 mix of incredible and excellent. Received the Iron tackle after the end of the 3rd round.
The Iron Tackle is definitely for sails. (Crabbycrank)
I just received the Iron Hammer after carping on a flag sit on Viridian.
An OM ended it short of one round.
I had sparkly from the beginning, and my scores were excellent, incredible, incredible. The fourth DR was not shown, though I'm guessing it would have been incredible due to the sparkles still being around.
An interesting thing to note was that it was not a sinking blockade.
Suerte also received the Iron Hammer, and Ow received the Iron Pump.
I noticed Suerte did not get inc, but Ow did.
Hope this can be of some use to you. Forever - Viridian
I got the Iron Hammer after carping in a one-round sinking blockade. I got all excellents except for the last incredible. I stayed on one ship throughout the round and recieved the trophy when the blockade ended. The OM ended the blockade after the first round. I was on the winning side, and I got at least 67 carp tokens. Dexavis - Cobalt
Bundy [3] recently earned the Steel Pump. Interesting to note that he doesn't have an Iron Pump. (reported by Dexavis)
Jackarius said: maybe iron fer excellent/incs, steel for only incs?
You could be on the money there. I did get all increds in a round (I think I was the only bilger on my boat who did that).There was at least one other pirate on the same boat - Anilisko - who received the Iron Pump. I think they may have scored mostly increds with an exc thrown in but you would have to ask them to be sure. The blockade was a sinking (I think) island-contesting blockade which only went 1 round due to the OMs stopping it early. Bundy (now has both iron and steel)
Travesty on Emerald ranked three learnings, seven excellents, in two rounds of a sinking blockade. As soon as Travesty reached Broad, the blockade ended and Travesty received the trophy. Travesty started out with novice/able. The puzzle was rigging and the trophy was iron coils. (reported by Travesty)
Ideas proposed as possible triggers
(unlikely)-amount of sets cleared. Like when you fill all the stars is a set.
(unlikely)-getting Inc first league point. This seems unprobable because I'm sure people have done it before but I was just thinking maybe it's like your bilging soo well that you crush the pump
(possible)- getting a set amount of increds for bilge
(unlikely)- getting a set number of booches
(unlikely)Getting Expert/Legendary in blige? XD
(unlikely)Certain amount of bilge water pumped?
(doubted)Certain amount of Sea Donkeys?
(unlikely)Certain amount of chests pumped thru the bilge stations? (Lmao)
Certain amount of Increds? (As stated above, I agree with possibility, tho I am guessing others would have it to)
(unlikely)Loved by an Dev, and therefore, the dev decided to give them a random trophy?
(unlikely)Cows ate his soul?
certain number of vegasses in bilge?
certain number of full-board-clears in sails?
certain number of MP^17s in carp?
(very likely)counting started from last release maybe?
How long were the blockades that those two pirates who were awarded iron pump in?
3 rounds?
5 rounds?
EDIT: and were they the TOP increds or just high increds?
Did they also have a high number of manuvers?
Just a thought, Scarymuffin ran an Iron Sailor event. It required you to be incredible for every duty report, planking anyone excellent or lower, and whoever was the last one standing was the winner. Since this is the 'iron pump' and there is presumably one for carp and sails as well, I thought that might be the inspiration.
Perhaps it has nothing to do with blockades, but is for getting Incred on a certain (rather high) number of duty reports (in a row, not so much as dropping to Excellent once). It would make sense that bilging is the first one found because in sailing and carpentry it's rather difficult to get an incred up for the first DR, thus breaking your streak every time your puzzle is reset.
Maybe even longer than 10 minutes? 'Iron' is used to refer to endurance (Cal Ripkin for example is called 'Iron Man' for setting the record for the most strait games played). Could it be an entire round of a blockade scoring excellent or incredible? Maybe 20 minutes full sparkly?
I'm also thinking that it is for a certain number of DRs in a single blockade doing excellent/incredible. To the post 2 up, maybe the guys scoring better than you did not earn enough DRs to get the trophy.
I was already certain it was bilging-related - I put it down in misc because I wasn't sure whether it'd go better in the blockades section of the trophy page, and I still strongly suspect it should. That said, do we know it isn't also won in flotillas?
i believe it has something to do with rounds, and rounds dont exist in floats or lantis. I know a few people who would have it if it was flaots of lantis
Hmmm... good point. I believe it has only been won in blockades, but the only way to be sure is to know the criteria and then accomplish it in a SMH/flotilla. Also, now that you mention it, I think it might be better to be put in Blockades, since it appears to be only won there.
Would someone test if this would work on Event blockades? As in, go in an event blockade on your own ship and just bilge all the time. And test for different amounts of rounds. (Pingster)
I was thinking of doing just that, all I need is time and persuade someone to give me a 1round event for starters. I hope to get that done this week (Ikke)
you going to try carping perhaps? (Kory)
No point in doing that until we know what triggers the bilge. Once we know that, we can try similar things in carp, sails, and rigs, and possibly guns. (Deceptive)
Finished 1st test. (posted by Ikke)
Done: 1-round event blockade, non-sinking, non-removal. Solo sloop. Bilged whole round. 1 exc, 4 incred, lots of tokens. 1 bot on bilge.
Result: zero (well, no trophy)
Possible reasons for no-result:
- Event blockades do not trigger it.
- 1 round does not trigger it.
- solo-ing does not trigger it. (could be: uncontested blockade doesn't work, small ship doesn't work, score on DR matters only in comparison to others on ship/in blockade).
- Specific set-up does not trigger it. I'm thinking sinking/non-sinking. Request while info is still fresh: people that got it (on Hunter?), did they take part in a sinking or non-sinking blockade when they got it? (I got it on Midnight in a BK cade, so sinking obviously + I sank several times).
Plan for tomorrow: same set-up event, but 2 rounds + alt on bilge.
Not sure if sinking is involved. If it were, you'd get it as you sank. (Belthazar)
I know, just trying to point down all variables, if any apply. If I'm overlooking something, let me know so I can include it in testing. (Ikke)
Finished 2nd test. (posted by Ikke)
Done: 2-round event blockade, non-sinking. Solo sloop. Bilged full 2 rounds. 2 exc, 8 incred, lots of tokens. 1 alt on bilge, 1 alt on carp (booching DR's). With the alts I was able to influence buoys and won the event. During R1 there was another sloop taking some points.
Result: zero (well, no trophy)
Possible reasons for no-result:
Event blockades do not trigger it.
2 rounds do not trigger it. I AM aware that someone got it with only 2 rounds of puzzling, but then it should be 2/3, not just 2R-event.
Solo-ing does not trigger it... only works on big ships, big DR's (???)
Specific set-up does not trigger it (???).
Next plan: 3round event blockade. If again no result, real blockades over weekend.
I'm going to keep my "theory" for Iron Pump as holding a sparkly pump for the majority of a round at a sinking or PvP blockade. (mennus)
I wounder if you need to be on a ship capable to influencing flags to get the trophy... (Raggedjoe)
They said they were able to influence the buoys (Metallife)
If it's only for a round, then I would have gotten it on Midnight at the end of R1, not at the end of R3, which was the end of the blockade. I would also have gotten it in the event blockades, assuming event blockades are not excluded. (Ikke)
Pingster's test link:[4]
Maybe bilging for a # of time? (Trogo)
Then I would have it since I've been bilging a lot lately. (Mennus)
maybe it's for being bilging on ships that get a certain amount of points together in a cade.. just an idea (Tbpotn)
Well, if it would be consistency, I'd have it, together in the kade there could've been only like 10-20 minutes TOGETHER I didn't bilge.
Deceptive, what score did he get on rounds?
Also, my report was NOT sinking. Hopefully I can get on a sinking today.
Tbotn: I was on frigs almost all the time. Last round was flagsitting. I believe I could have gotten it then. Not sure.
A few more theories I might have:
a) Bilging over X amount of rounds over blockades. That would explain why some got it after 2 rounds, why some after 4 (Also, I'd need clarification, if the guy who got it after 2 rounds got it at the end of the kade or after the 2nd round). This would also open up speculation that there exists trophies like "Gold Pump" etc, which would be Y amount of rounds over blockades. Or segments, actually!
b) Getting X amount of tokens in blockades? Sounds weird, but that would explain why only those that do decent get it. (Pingster)
There are already trophies for buoys and tokens; having a new trophy for either of those seems redundant. Aside from Pingster's one 'fine' report, he still did have excellent+ on all DR's for at least 2 rounds, and in a row also, yet no trophy.
Combined with the report of someone getting this for good/excellent (needs to be confirmed), it seems that sinking is a likely requirement. Let's focus on minimum of 2 consecutive rounds in sinking without missing payment for any segments (ye did not duty enough) and performance of good or excellent and better. (Schweatybol)
Well, then we'd have to wait till there's a sinking kade somewhere. I'll job for a BK kade too, since it's sinking, just for the information.
Another idea would be, bilging on X amounts of rounds/segments without sinking? Would have to ask the current owners of this trophy to see if they sank at any point, and if so, how many segments/rounds it was between last sink/getting trophy. (Pingster)
So, in summary, present thought is that you must bilge at Incredible for x% of the DRs over at least three rounds in a sinking blockade? Verification please, will seek to do this in upcoming blockade.
Also, there was a point about the possibility of a Golden Pump? I don't know, it's possible, but if so wouldn't it be 'Silver Pump' rather than 'Iron'? (unknown)
I'm quite certain that, assuming there is a second-level trophy, it won't follow the bronze-silver-gold structure. I'm thinking it's iron as in dependable like iron. Stalwart. That sort of thing. (Belthazar)
Alright, so it's pretty certain that it's on sinking kade. (Pingster)
Perhaps Iron, Steel, <insert metal... platinum? tungsten?> (unknown)
Hold on. I might have a theory....
2/4 = 1/2
3/3 > 1/2
3/4 > 1/2
3/5 > 1/2
Also,
Dependable = Consistent? (unknown)
Just curious. Was anyone who got the iron pump not sunk when they got it? (hfsktr)
Consistantly meaning the same DR right? I think there is probobly a low end for acceptable DRs, because otherwise you could get it for just sitting on bilge (all booches). (Raggedjoe)
Well, I meant consistent as if to get the Iron Pump it must be for one session. But yeah, there must be a mininum level of skill required... it's not incredible, as Deceptive pointed out. It may be Excellent, but it also might be Good. I think we can discount poors and booches. (unknown)
Elbeejay, are ye sure ye saw an Iron Hammer trophy? (unknown)
I'm sure she did. Even if she frustratingly assumed someone else would be more helpful.(Belthazar)
and it would also imply the existence of the Iron Sails (unknown)
Well, yeah. Not to mention an Iron Rigging-something (Belthazar)
speculation here... stat realted? i dont know if some people got the pump with bad stats.. (Inceyn)
Oh, I just see that the Iron Hammer got found. I don't think it's related to your current stat though. I'm ultimate carp on both Viridian and Midnight, the past 2 weekends I carp'ed on both oceans during a blockade. Full duration of the blockade on carp-station, scoring excellent or higher, maybe 1 or 2 goods somewhere.
I didn't get the trophy *sad face*
Possible reason? Both were non-sinking blockades. I think this is more prove that yes, the Iron trophy's might only come during sinking blockades, shame. (Ikke)
With all this evidence I think we can make a safe bet that the Iron Pump only comes through sinking blockades. Suggest we make this official rather than speculation? (unknown)
I personally think we should wait until we have a better grasp of the trigger - that it so far hasn't happened in non-sinking blockades is not proof that it can't happen. It could be that some other variable was also different in the non-sinking blockades tested. Say, fewer ships got "sunk" or fewer points got scored, things like that.
Also, nothing's ever official when it comes to the YPPedia, except for the Official namespace. (Belthazar)
Can we assume from the three Iron trophies that we now know of (thanks Chatdor) that there are Iron trophies for the other duty puzzles? Also, because this is yet another time that the trophy was given during a sinker, do we agree that the Iron trophies are given out only in sinky 'cades? (unknown)
No on both counts. Gunning is different enough from the other duty puzzles (no maneuvers, no continuous board) that it may or may not have one. Also, we've seen so few of these trophies that the sinking blockade appearances could be coincidence, not a pattern. (Orsino)
I wouldn't think manouvers would have anything to do with it. OOO already have made the Spires, Seal and Token trophies for manouvers. No comment on continuous boards. (unknown)
Iron everything? No
I just rigged the whole BK-blockade on Viridian, missed only 1 DR due to leaving the board early, I think. No trophy (Ikke)
I would think the iron tackle was for rigging (Raggedjoe)
Some posts up wrote:
I got an Iron Tackle lately during a sinky cade. Have been sailing for 4 rounds. (Ikke)
The 3rd tier of maneuver token trophies for sails are all 'of the Tackle', so Iron Tackle for sails makes sense. As for rigging, only time will tell what it might be, if it has one.
Now, about all of these Iron trophies together, some who have them have mentioned being Sublime as well as leg or ult; and the others I looked up are paragon. Could it possibly only be awarded for the puzzling requirements after achieving a certain level of experience with/without high standing?
My experience from today follows: I carped in BK kade for 3 rounds, having missed the first one or two DR's I believe. I did excellent with a couple goods; no fines. My experience is sublime, but my standing is master. Also the ship I was on did not sink. The 2nd and 3rd rounds were a flag sit. And I did not get the hammer trophy. (Schweatybol)
these trophies existed for a good year or 2 now but have only recently gone active, which brings to thought that rigging wouldnt be included as it wasnt there from before. Possibly they will add one but it seems redundant as sailing and rigging do the same thing, if awarded for rigging as well as sailing i could see the sense in that, but that would just require a change of coding just as they changed the coding in the silver citadel (Kory)
All we DO know for sure, is that they have all been from sinking PvP blockades. Only thing that has been consistent. And just because you puzzled for an entire sinking PvP blockade, and did not get the trophy, does not mean it doesn't exist. Ye just didn't do the right thing... whatever it was. And it could be for gunning as well, as it is obviously not token related. But until a gunning one comes up, we have no solid answer there.
And correct me if I am wrong BUT: Everyone who has one has puzzled at the certain puzzle consistently for at least two rounds. (Deceptive)
BK's are PvE, not PvP; but nonetheless sinking. Just stating this for clarification. So sinking is required, and BK or PvP does not matter.
Crabbycrank has provided new, specific information. She achieved incred in 3 consecutive segments. Something to consider. Also, her pirate is now Broad/Able in sails, for which she got the trophy. This casts doubt on any relation to experience or standing.
It would be quite helpful if others with iron trophies would comment on the 3 increds possibility. (Schweatybol)
I'm starting to be more sure that the requirement is doing the puzzle in a PvP blockade, but I've still not convinced that it can't be won in a non-sinking PvP blockade - unless I've misunderstood something in this thread, all that's been tested is PvP sinking, BK sinking, and event blockades. I'm also unconvinced that any particular duty report is neccesary, just that you do the puzzle for a long enough time. It's reasonably simple to test - see whether anyone got it by scoing just Goods. (Belthazar)
I agree on the experience, my pirate on Midnight has "only" expert, unlike what someone else said that it would all be paragon or above. (Ikke)
Actually that was me who suggested experience; simply ignore it from this point out please. (Schweatybol)
For the consecutive increds, I definitely had that when I got the Iron Pump, but I also remember someone writing she got the trophy and didn't do increds, just excellents. (How many excellents in a row?)
I was thinking about something that was mentioned earlier, that it should be sinking blockade AND you also have to sink at least once. BUT, Crabbycrank doesn't have the driftwood trophy, so that's out of the window too.
I didn't imply in my earlier post that there was no trophy for rigging, but I'm very close to concluding now that there isn't. When I compare what I did with what Crabbycrank did for sailing:
Same BK blockade
Crabby: ~2.5 / 3 rounds of consistent puzzling; Me: ~2.8 / 3
Experience and rank don't matter (Crabby has broad/able sails)
Consecutive increds for Crabby, I didn't have that but I don't think this matters because someone got Iron Pump for only doing excellents, eg. this post by hfsktr
We both didn't sink
Only thing that might make the difference why I didn't get an Iron rigging trophy (assuming it's there): I had one good DR, Crabby had only exc or higher. Edit: scrap this: here is someone saying they got Iron Pump for doing good/exc. (Ikke)
I don't think we should scrap this just yet. The post linked here says it was the person's friend. I don't consider this to be confirmed evidence. Also, I did carping for 2.5 rounds with good/excellent in a sinking BK blockade yesterday and did not get trophy. (Schweatybol)
Non-sinking has been tested by myself and by Pingster here. I feel strongly that non-sinking does not trigger the trophies.
On a side note, the part of a round that I missed yesterday was the first 2 segments of round 1. Has anyone who received a trophy missed the first segment(s) of a blockade? Or did everyone start in the first segment just as the blockade began? I.E. Marathon style. Something to consider (Schweatybol)
Funny you use the word marathon. Ever since these trophies came out, I couldn't get IronMan out of my head (as in the triathlon) (Ikke)
Same here. And now that I read yer post, I'm thinking tri- as in three. Three segments at exactly the same level of performance? Some other three - direct or implied? Hmm. I'm not certain I achieved 3 consecutive identical DR's in a sinking kade thus far. (Schweatybol)
I missed this post earlier. I've done 2 PvP nonsinking blockades in the past weeks (thought I had mentioned that here earlier?). In one I bilged for 2/3 rounds, the other I carp'ed full blockade. No trophies on both cases. (Ikke)
I'm wondering about the "iron" in the trophy title too. While I carped for part of the last segment of the blockade, I was on the sails duty report for all segments, 3 full rounds on sails. (Due to my switching in the middle of the last segment to carp).
Is it possible that the Iron trophies are awarded simply for being on the duty report for at least 3 rounds of a sinking blockade on a particular duty station?
And no, I never sank on my Viridian pirate, I had never puzzled at all on that ocean until the block (Crabbycrank)
This evidence seems to fit my hypothesis:
- For every Iron trophy awarded, the player seems to be in a sinky.
- For every Iron trophy awarded, the player seems to have played for at least half the length of the blockade.
I'd like clarification on these statements.
- Every player who recieved an Iron never missed a DR.
- Every player who recieved an Iron never got worse than Good. (unknown)
When I read the "IronMan" reference my first thought way Cal Ripkin, who played over 10 strait seasons of US Major League baseball w/o missing a single game. Don't know why but I feel better posting this :)
Anyway, I have been wondering if anyone knows the minimal amount of tokens they scored when they earned this trophy. It seems to me that we are missing a piece of the trigger and the name makes the think of tokens...(Raggedjoe)
I got almost no tokens. For whatever reason, (pirate on Viridian too green most likely). I was not even offered any tokens for a big chunk of the blockade. I got a regular sailing board with no tokens at all. I don't remember exactly when I started getting them but my sense is it that it wasn't until the last round.
I remember thinking a LOT "Hey give me some tokens, zero tokens is embarrassing!".
Crabby
Anyway, were your tests done in actual island blockades or events? I know ye did some event testing, but am not sure about the other. (Schweatybol)
Those last I mentioned were real blockades. I would have mentioned it specifically it I was referring to event blockades; I stopped testing the events due to lack of available time.(Ikke)
This is certainly useful, although it tends to raise questions while answering others. Being non-sinking is quite a surprise, as we were almost certain that sinking was required. That seems to reopen the possiblility for trophies to be won in event kades. Also, I tried to confirm with the OM on duty now (Galene) as to the exact length of said blockade today, but she was not the OM who ended it. Even so, if it was truly less than a full round, then that basically eliminates the need to puzzle for any number of full rounds, and similarly points to achieving a particular score (or stay sparkly) for X number of segments in a row. Also, with Suerte not achieving incred (confirmed?), perhaps it is not for a particular score or above, but rather for achieving the same score X number of times in a row; with the most likely number for X being three*. That is my current "hypothesis"
- I was in a non-sinking kade today on Viridian earlier, and achieved 2 excellent in a row, followed by 2 goods, then a fine. I believe this rules out one or two in a row, as I did not get a trophy. (Schweatybol)
Maybe you have to adverage certain score over the entire blockade? (even parts you are not in). This would explaibn why is it nearly impossible to get it without being in over half the blockade, as well as how you could get it in just 4 DRs (Raggedjoe)
In this case 4drs > 1/2 the blockade. (unknown)
What has been disproven
Im sure it has to do with tokens and/or performance if he got it in his house, mustve been at the end of a DR... perhaps poor with tokens? No idea Cant be poor :P He gets constant increds.
I've been a sublime/ult bilger for ages, and had my ult since i was paragon. I've jobbed for countless hours on SMHs, pillies, and blockades; typically topping the DR. So, unless the trophy has just been activated, I find it hard to believe it it awarded for excellence in these areas.
No. Sorry, but this is wrong. Hfsktr got it without any increds, and only 2/4 rounds. But what seems to be the same, is a sinking PvP.
and it would also imply the existence of (...) Cannon and Helm Well, no. Not really. No more than an Oaken Token of Bilge and Carp implies an Oaken Token of Gunning.
Ideas unlikely to be a trigger
-amount of sets cleared. Like when you fill all the stars is a set.
-getting Inc first league point. This seems unprobable because I'm sure people have done it before but I was just thinking maybe it's like your bilging soo well that you crush the pump
- getting a set number of booches
Getting Expert/Legendary in blige? XD
Certain amount of bilge water pumped?
Certain amount of chests pumped thru the bilge stations? (Lmao)
Loved by an Dev, and therefore, the dev decided to give them a random trophy?
Cows ate his soul?
Possible triggers being considered
Side notes
On a side note, once we're reasonably sure of a trigger, we need to verify it with a completely fresh alt.
I'd be happy to test the solid theory once it is decided upon. I'm not very good with making up ideas on triggers but I can help test them. If it involves incredibles that's not a problem. As of late I am illustrious/legendary bilge. (Regis - sage)
