Talk:Greenie

I rolled back Rappak's edit. If a greenie subscribes, there's no limit to what can be used (except for officer and royalty limits, as usual). If you disagree, please cite a source. Thanks. --Barrister 10:01, 8 August 2005 (PDT)

That wasn't what I put down. I put down, or at least intent to put down, that a greenie is also refered to as a non-subscriber and linked it back to subscriber to help people with finding what items that they could use. - Rappak

Not entirely true, though. If you play the game for half an hour before deciding to subscribe, you'll still have a green name, yet be able to use subscriber-items. --AtteSmythe 12:26, 8 August 2005 (PDT)

I thought that turned their name into a yellow-green when they log off. It's been to long since I did this so I can't remember. For most intensive perposes though, a greenie is still a non-subscriber and cannot use those items until they subscribe. I'm not sure how it works on viridian as their system is different and foriegn to me, but I would rather see it mentioned in greenie as that would be the first inclination of searching. - Rappak

A greenie is someone with less than a certain amount of playing time/log-ins (not sure how that all works), a non-subscriber is someone who hasn't subscribed to the game. It's just not the same. A greenie is the same on Viridian and they don't have any difference between subscribers and non-subscribers there. -Paladin

As from what I know, they changed the rules and from a week of a trial, they know have a month to try it correct, which also changed from 10 log-ins. I still think that they are still the same and am arguing it. People refer to greenies who aren't subscribers and that's how I feel, maybe more forcefully after still dealing with them in my crew. They are still limited innitially with the choice of items and I think it should be noted in this page as that is what people are going to search first I think. A note saying that they are limited in usage of items that can be found here until they subscribe I guess would satisfy me. - Rappak

But not me. People do seem to confuse greenies with non-subscribers, but they are wrong, and if we suggest that that is how it is, we are wrong. We could, however, put something in about how greenies should not be confused with non-subscribers, and put a link in there somewhere to the page they would be looking for coming here according to you. -Paladin

I suppose that could work. Also including the thread talking about the coinning of the phase greenie might be useful. - Rappak

Greenie spawn requirements

Since I know somebody's going to ask me for a source on the edit I just did, I created a new pirate on my greenie account on Viridian, and it had Olive as it's home island. Olive doesn't have a shack. Also, there's evidence indicating that player names remain green on subscriber oceans until they subscribe, as at least one person has said that their name was green until they subscribed on Midnight, but it was yellow on doubloon oceans. --Thunderbird 16:11, 14 September 2005 (PDT)

And I have counter-evidence: me :-) --Ihope127 19:18, 14 September 2005 (PDT)

How long ago was that? I think it's changed once or twice. At the moment I have a greenie account that I' testing it with. Though despite having been in game for well over 15 hours by now, the name hasn't even become lime-green. (EDIT)Also, a lime-greenie showed up in the Shanty Estate earlier today and told me he wasn't a greenie on Viridian and Sage. --Thunderbird 00:41, 15 September 2005 (PDT)

My greenie account just turned lime-green on Midnight. It is fully yellow on Viridian. So yeah, time to edit. --Thunderbird 2:31, 15 September 2005 (PDT)

I shall see what I can do to get the correct information. --Bia 04:22, 15 September 2005 (PDT)

Ok, there is something a little wonky with this. I have a relatively new account (Subscribed) which I logged on and it showed up as yellow, but then I unsubscribed it, logged back in and showed up as green - On midnight. On Viridian while unsubscribed I showed up as yellow. --Artemis 04:47, 15 September 2005 (PDT)

As I mentioned, my second account was green while it was a trial player (somebody paid a subscription fee for it, so it's now yellow on Midnight as well). But since Viridian and Sage don't have anything about a trial, the green changes to yellow as you'd expect. I don't think the last edit to the article should have been made (the one that undid my change), personally, since my last edit has evidence backing it up, unless it's been changed in the last day or two, which I doubt. --Thunderbird 3:54, 18 September 2005 (PDT)

Put your wording back in, I have no idea why Sivius changed it as your explanation said the same thing more thoroughly. --Guppymomma 20:27, 19 September 2005 (PDT)

Well if ya payed attention to what mine actually said, it was the exact opposite meaning. Anyways, I gave up and petitioned different ocean masters and got varied results... (Nemesis: Amount of time puzzling) (Castor: Time spent in-game) All answers I recieved had to do with time and not subscription one way or another. Gonna have to ask one of the actual game programmers to get the correct answer and end this stupid argument. --Sivius 2:45, 21 September 2005 (PDT)

I did pay attention to what you put in and that was "Contrary to popular misconception, the green color does not indicate whether the player is a subscriber or has bought doubloons."

While some of that conflicts with what Thunderbird wrote, he actually TESTED it in game: "On subscription oceans, trial players will remain green until they subscribe, but those who have subscribed before the normal green time is up will be green until the greenie time expires. Name color doesn't indicate whether a player has bought doubloons on the doubloon oceans."

If you can offer comments on actually testing your theory, then we can discuss it. If not, then yours is pure speculation compared to actual data. --Guppymomma 15:02, 21 September 2005 (PDT)

I made an extra account and put the char in my crew and had her subscribed about 15 minutes after she was born. She was greenish and seeing pinks for almost a month. I logged her on mainly to take jobs, get poe from her, and to do only the required update puzzle for those jobs with puzzles. That account was used for the same purpose on Cobalt and Midnight. Specifically, I made the account a day or so before housing came out, and she was yellow about 4 days ago. Hope this info helps in the data collection.

I made an extra account and put the char in my crew and had her subscribed about 15 minutes after she was born. She was greenish and seeing pinks for almost a month. I logged her on mainly to take jobs, get poe from her, and to do only the required update puzzle for those jobs with puzzles. That account was used for the same purpose on Cobalt and Midnight. Specifically, I made the account a day or so before housing came out, and she was yellow about 4 days ago. Hope this info helps in the data collection.--Silkprincess

I think I pulled the correct data from cleaver. He told me that ye have to wait 15 In-Game hours to become a yellow. Hope it helps. --Siv

Nigheve on Midnight has turned green, and I KNOW she's been in-game for longer than 15 hours. I don't know if she's still subscribed or not, because she's making reference to free days, but can still use /fo. I'll find out for sure when my second account has its subscription expired (should happen by Sunday). --Thunderbird 00:05, 11 October 2005 (PDT)

My second account has had its subscription lapse and has turned green again. I think this is sufficient evidence to remove the dispute marker. --Thunderbird 12:18, 16 October 2005 (PDT)

New update for subscription oceans! Ye green name now works like those on Viridian and Sage. It's now the proper 15 hours of gameplay. Theory Tested and proven. --Siv

Greenie Spawning

Will greenies spawn automagically when the requirements are met, or does an OM need to be contacted to "switch it on"? Cheers. --Redbeardsage 01:55, 5 March 2006 (PST)

I know they used to have to switch it on, but that was before the current system was put in place. I'll ask the current wikiOM to clarify this. --Guppymomma 07:37, 5 March 2006 (PST)

I'm going to guess this is in reference to Admiral Island. Well, the greenie spawn on Sage is currently headed that way (as of this writing), so that should answer the question. --Thunderbird 17:02, 5 March 2006 (PST)

I don't know... I think it's still a manual switch, and don't think a single island opening and spawning immediately can be taken as proof. :-/ Somebody might want to bug the WikiOM. --Teeg 09:06, 9 March 2006 (PST)

Sorry, slacked off on that. Eury confirms that it's automagically turned on with no Ringer help. --Guppymomma 21:41, 9 March 2006 (PST)

How sure is it that a navy's necessary for spawning greenies at an island? Caravanserai on Sage appears to be spawning them right now, and it has no palace and hence no navy. --Ruddigore 16:52, 24 June 2006 (PDT)

I'm not sure a Navy would be necessary at all, seeing as how you already get missions for other navies off of notice boards. (Sometimes from islands that aren't even in the same archipalego!) I'll poke Eury. --Ponytailguy 17:07, 24 June 2006 (PDT)

It's almost certainly a reference to the old days, when a governor had to commission navy explicitly at the palace by dropping deeds in. --AtteSmythe 09:26, 26 June 2006 (PDT)

Note that navy missions don't appear on the Caravanserai notice board; the nearest navy would be Spaniel's, fifteen leagues away, and that seems to be too far. It's awkward telling greenies that they should learn the puzzles in the navy when they don't get the option to do so. Ruddigore 15:12, 26 June 2006 (PDT)