Help talk:Contents

This page could use an easy "reference" type box to the right at the top filled with instant gratification help links like How to create an article and stuff that folks would most likely be looking for when clicking on Help in the nav bar. --Guppymomma 12:03, 3 September 2005 (PDT)

Missing some things.

The search results pages states that you should come to this page for help on searching, yet this page mentions nothing about searching. I've added a brief description, feel free to improve it. --Adramolek 22:56, 15 August 2008 (UTC)

I've created a [custom google search tool] that searches both the wiki and the forums. It is far more effective than the built-in wiki tool. --Adramolek 23:16, 15 August 2008 (UTC)

Yes, I'm sure it's more effective... at making adsense revenue for you. The inclusion of this CSE on this page is a pretty clear violation of the spirit, if not the letter, of the "no advertising" policy. I propose that the "Searching" section be reverted back to this editor's initial revision that used the Google "site:" keyword to restrict searches to a specific site, and that all his recent edits and redirects that serve to funnel people to this page, and thus to his adsense revenue generating CSE, be reverted. --Riz 18:44, 19 October 2008 (UTC)

Huh...? Google CSE does not generate revenue for the user that created it. Nobody makes any money off of it and you are free to create a CSE of your own to verify it. Additionally, AdSense is for advertising on web sites and is not on the CSE. You may visit the pages for both for more information. I advise removing your comments to save face once anybody else who has any idea what they are talking about reads them. You clearly have no idea how either CSE or AdSense function or what they are for. CSE: Link AdSense: Link Your comment is not even remotely correct. You are free to apologize for implying that I'd put an advertisement to make me money on this wiki, as well. It's a bit insulting. The tool was created because it's a lot more user-friendly than the ugly Mozdev plugins and it's a good way to search the wiki and forum. Way to jump to unjustified conclusions on that one, though. --Adramolek 20:25, 19 October 2008 (UTC)

I am quite fully aware of what Adsense is, thanks. Howabout you click the little plus sign on the CSE main page you linked above, beside "Learn how Custom Search benefits... Your website, blog or special interest group", where it says "Make money with adsense for search". When users search through your CSE, adsense ads are generated at the side of the results page, based on the keywords users search for. Howabout you click through to the Adsense page you link above, and read the section "Adsense for search", where it says "... allows website publishers to provide Google web and site search to their visitors, and to earn money by displaying Google ads on the search results pages." The CSE owner gets a cut of the revenue generated by those adsense views. Please don't try to tell me how web and search works. I do it for a living. Please don't try to tell me that no one makes money off of CSEs, because I know for a fact from personal experience that they do.

Your protestations fail, and my comments stand. I will not remove them, nor will I apologize to you for making them. I am not the one needing to save face here. You may well try to claim that you're not using these available features of the CSE and Adsense systems, but quite frankly, given your recent edits seemingly designed to funnel additional people to the page to generate more hits on your CSE, I don't believe you. Appologies to the admins for any apparent violation of "assume good faith". I leave the matter to them, I have nothing further to discuss on the matter with you, and I will not be adding further comments here. My original statement, and the additional evidence in this response, say everything that needs to be said. --Riz 20:51, 19 October 2008 (UTC)

Aside from the fact that if you look at the forum posts I've made in the past 5 and a half years I've been playing this game, you'll get enough character reference to see that what you're saying is something I'd never actually do, the real problem with what you say is that you are undebatably wrong. That's really all there is to it. If there's a way to make money off of custom Google search engines then please, clue me in, because they must be sending my checks to the wrong place. In case you are wondering, I'll hold your hand and walk you through the creation of one, one step at a time: 1. Visit: http://www.google.com/coop/cse/ 2. Click "Create a custom search engine" 3. Fill in form, press go. 4. Notice no check in the mail. A CSE is a useful tool and to be honest, I don't care if I'm the one that created it or not. I think you can agree that it's useful and if it will make you sleep better at night and stop making random, blind, unverifiable accusations, then *you* create it and we'll link to yours instead. I'll be happy to delete mine. It was created as a service to help you search. You are welcome, by the way. --Adramolek 22:57, 19 October 2008 (UTC)

Ah I see what you mean about the AdSense now. I didn't even know you could make money off the CSE. I apologize for saying you didn't know what AdSense was for. There, I turned ads off by lying on the control panel and saying I was an NPO. Please stop being so suspicious and confrontational. It would have been enough to simply point out what the CSE could be used for, rather than immediately jumping to blatantly incorrect conclusions, throwing blind accusations that it was being used that way, and continuing to defend those accusations. You're still welcome to create your own and link to yours instead. --Adramolek 23:08, 19 October 2008 (UTC)

Re: "given your recent edits seemingly designed to funnel additional people to the page to generate more hits on your CSE". They weren't seemingly designed to funnel additional people to this page and the CSE -- they were precisely designed to do that. It's a redirect, and was the purpose of my edit. The link to the search engine is an "external link" and can be useful when you want to link somebody to the web site you are referring to rather than having them copy + paste URLs into their address bar. --Adramolek 02:32, 20 October 2008 (UTC)

This matter is currently being reviewed and researched by the administrators. Please be patient while a decision is made. -- Cedarwings ^(talk) 22:02, 19 October 2008 (UTC)

Problem solved, see above. I figured out how to turn off ads. --Adramolek 23:08, 19 October 2008 (UTC)

Link YPPedia:Searching to here.

I've removed most of the YPPedia:Searching article and linked it to here instead. This wiki is not very good about keeping redundant information out. I seem to remember the search page actually linking to Help:Contents before, but now it seems to link to YPPedia:Searching instead. I may be misremembering. --Adramolek 15:45, 19 October 2008 (UTC)

It's now possible with the current MediaWiki version to have redirects use targets to anchors in articles. -- Faulkston 23:55, 19 October 2008 (UTC)

Nice, thanks Faulkston. I was wondering about that. --Adramolek 00:06, 20 October 2008 (UTC)

At first I was confused as to why YPPedia:Searching should be directed to general wiki help. Then I realized that there was a search section on the redirect target page which had largely but not all the same content as the original page. I merged the small amount of additional content in at the same time as changing the redirect to have an anchor target. -- Faulkston 03:25, 20 October 2008 (UTC)

Have we managed to fix anchor redirects in the PP skin yet? --Belthazar451 03:55, 20 October 2008 (UTC)

please add a subject

please add some things on how to start your own crew please!!

Ahoy! This is a help page for the YPPedia, not for the game. You'll find information on how to start a crew in the crew article, and in the game documentation. --Belthazar451 21:19, 6 February 2009 (UTC)