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Template talk:Infobox flag

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This template is for flags on all of the oceans. To use, first copy and paste the following into your flag's page.

{{Infobox flag|
|flagname=
|monarch=
|monarchcrew=
|membercrews=
|organized=
|organization=
|numberofislands=
|islandname1=
|islandname2=
|islandname3=
|islandname4=
|oceanname=
|allies=
|wars=
|updateday=
|updatemonth=
|updateyear=
}}

Next, fill in each parameter with your flag's information, placing it between the equals sign and vertical bar/pipe ("|"). If your flag doesn't have an organized political system, put "no" for "organized" and leave "organization" blank. If your flag has an organized political system, put "yes" under "organized" and briefly describe its organization under "organization". If your flag owns an island, type the number of islands it owns for the "numberofislands" parameter and fill in the island's full name under "islandname1" (and islandname2, islandname3, islandname4 if necessary). If your flag doesn't own an island, type "zero" under "numberofislands". For the update fields, use the numeric day, month, and year without any leading zeros. For the 19th of January, 2006, for example, the fields would be:
updateday=19|
updatemonth=1|
updateyear=2006|

After the double bracket— }} —that closes the template, you can write anything you like about your flag. Don't worry about fancy formatting or linkage; there are plenty of people willing and quick to edit.

Most importantly, we want each flag to have a brief history about it. If your flag has taken part in an exciting blockade, or has suffered losses in a vicious war, write about it.

Thanks! —Yaten

Defunct, dormant, or disbanded flags

To mark a flag as defunct, switch {{Infobox flag| on the first line of the infobox to {{Infobox flag(defunct)|

Troubleshooting the template

If it doesn't seem to be displaying correctly, first check the following things:

  • Make sure all of your linked monarch or crew names have an opening and closing set of tags ([[ and ]])
  • Make sure you have the required fields filled in: organized (yes, no), numberofislands (zero, one, two, three, four), and oceanname (Azure, Cobalt, Midnight, Sage, Viridian)
    • If you are on more than one ocean, use two separate infoboxes using the table info below
  • Make sure you have not accidentally deleted the | that separates each variable
  • Make sure there is an opening and closing tag for the template ({{ and }})

If you still can't get it to work after checking those things, leave a note on the flag's talk page asking for help (don't forget to put something like "infobox help" in the edit summary) and someone will be happy to give you a hand with it.

Using more than one Infobox flag on a page

If you're using more than one infobox flag template on a page, put it into a table using the following table code:

{| border=0 style="float:right;"
|-
|
<infoboxes>
|}

This will stop the edit links for sections from being all over the place.

Defunct flags

Can we get a short info box for defunct flags? I'm not sure it needs much, but it'd be nice to have it much the look/feel of the regular infobox. --Barrister 13:47, 4 August 2005 (PDT)

I threw something together and pray that it will work. Template:Infobox_flag(defunct) --Feegle 16:40, 22 August 2005 (PDT)

What do we need to see in a flag/crew to mark it defunct? Is having all it's members dormant good enough? Klostro 11:37, 20 May 2008 (PDT)

Certainly a flag/crew that has all of it's members dormant can have it's yppedia page marked as defunct. You can also then add a reason parameter in the infobox stating that the crew/flag is dormant rather then the default that states it as defunct or dormant. -- Cedarwings (talk) 14:51, 20 May 2008 (PDT)

Fame rating info

The crew infobox already has a section for Fame, why not have one for flags as well? --Thunderbird 15:00, 31 August 2005 (PDT)

I believe it's a mistake to have a fame section in the crew infobox. If you need this information, you will need it for an in game type purpose & will need it to be the most current. Fame bounces too much for it to be a good thing to track in official infoboxes.--Guppymomma 15:08, 31 August 2005 (PDT)
I agree with Guppymomma. For crews and flags near the edge of a fame bracket, this value may change quite frequently. It should be removed. --Barrister 18:10, 31 August 2005 (PDT)

Royalty

I see alot of flags adding Royalty members into the main half of the page, maybe there should be a royalty section added to the info box? -Jacktheblack

That would certainly be symmetrical with the crew field for senior officers. I think we shied away from it initially because some of the Viridian flags had dozens of royalty. I just checked, and it looks like that's no longer an issue. The downside is that there's well over a hundred flag pages using this template. Adding a field would mean that we should edit all those entries, even if it's just to say we'll fill in the field later.
I'd like to hear other opinions before we change this. --Barrister 08:22, 3 November 2005 (PST)
I'm about to go through and update this template anyways - do we want to add Royalty as well? Does this version of Mediawiki support default parameters (A recent addition, IIRC)? --AtteSmythe 11:36, 9 January 2006 (PST)
Well, if you're changing them all anyway, go for it. But don't add a "Titled" section. Also, I don't think the current version of Mediawiki that we're using supports default parameters. If they do, I don't know how to define them. --Barrister 11:54, 9 January 2006 (PST)
Tested. Assuming I put it in properly (according to [1]), we're not running 1.6. Since I have to edit every flag anyway, I'll just put in the default as part of the edit. --AtteSmythe 12:09, 9 January 2006 (PST)

I added a royalty section to the template but was reverted by Barrister. The change would take 30 seconds to implement with very little harm. There should not be a titled section as some flags have between 50-100 titled members and would just be esthetic. I think only Royalty needs to be represented. The break that occurred when I added royalty was cosmetic..it just put the word royalty members...so the reversion was in my opinion a bit drastic...perhaps the default variables should've been added and have people adjust as they go. Royalty is pertinent to a lot of the flags...so this is definitely significant for historical purposes.

Personally, I'd be leaving template changes and other policy decisions to sysops and bureaus. They have established procedures in place for amendments that affect a large number of the population. --Redbeardsage
Too much work right now me thinks - Would mean tredging through the flag pages adding it in. There is a way to implement it as an optional field as some flags have no royalty - using sub-templates. I'm wary of adding to the key infoboxes right now. --Sagacious 07:00, 22 March 2006 (PST)
The harm comes from the fact that the version of mediawiki we run still has no option for default paramater values; you need to pass a value for every variable otherwise the template spits garbage back at you. With your change, on each of the 230 odd pages that use this template, they would each display "Royal(s) {{{royalmembers}}}" until somebody went in and added the royalmemebers value to each page. Subtemplates are even worse when no value is passed; just take a look at a badly formated crew page to see what happens there.
If this is something you want to see done you should also take on the task of fixing all the pages that will break with the introduction of this change. I'd reccomend going through all the flag pages and adding royalmembers=| first, and then changing the template. Filling in the information can be done later during regular cleanup duty.--Fiddler 07:15, 22 March 2006 (PST)
Ahh ok so sub-templates wouldn't work in this instance... --Sagacious 07:26, 22 March 2006 (PST)
Crap. I knew I forgot to do something when I changed the "Last updated on..." :( --AtteSmythe 11:13, 22 March 2006 (PST)
My reasoning for reverting the change (I'm the one who did it, if you check the history) was that sure, adding Royalty had been discussed. But you only bothered to update ONE page using the template, leaving all of the others to be a mess. Changing a template does not take just 30 seconds, since all of the pages using it have to be updated too. Adjusting the defunct flag box took me somewhere around 20-30 minutes, and I only had about 34 pages to check and fix. Tasks involving this infobox would take a lot longer. --Thunderbird 12:08, 22 March 2006 (PST)
When I've got a spare 7 hours or so, I might have a bash and edit it and update all the pages. I will either add a |royalty= none | tag to every flag page and let the pages be updated as people can, or I'll spend even more time and check all the flags against the game and add all the royalty in. Either way it's a time consuming job. --Sagacious 12:13, 22 March 2006 (PST)
Yeah, it is. Get a tabbed browser if you don't already have one. Go to the Template's "What links here" page, and just go down the list, opening into new tabs. Fix a page, tab over, and work on the next while the previous one's still transferring. Worked for me. Probably will take a couple hours, though, unless you're really focusing on it. --AtteSmythe 23:53, 22 March 2006 (PST)
Whatever you do, don't use royalty=none unless you know the flag has no royalty. Just leave it blank or put a note that it needs to be filled in, otherwise there will be accusations of incorrect info blah blah blah. --Guppymomma 06:56, 23 March 2006 (PST)
Got me a tabbed browser (God bless *Cheer* IE7!). What would make the job easier is if browsing Flag info in a web browser was possible without knowing the ID code. I hate the way the ability to highlight crew/flag pages in-game is so irregular and rare. --Sagacious 00:45, 23 March 2006 (PST)
The easiest way I've found is to be in the game at the same time, and pull the flag's info page from yohoho.log. (If that made no sense, there's a better description on my user page). Also, "what links here" does not link to all of the flag pages... No idea why, but there will be a small chunk that will have to be found and fixed by going though the flag category (ack).--Zava 06:29, 23 March 2006 (PST)
I'm not really a fan of adding this section. It just seems like it will be more work for little to no reward, and yet another section of information that has to be checked when updating. --Fannon 10:38, 23 March 2006 (PST)

More than four islands?

How should one handle a flag owning more than four islands? Narya on Sage controls Cromwell, Descartes, Greenwich, Halley, Lincoln, and Wensleydale. Ruddigore 08:33, 5 April 2006 (PDT)

It's probably time to create a second flag template for use by flags holding 5 to 8 islands. If we try to re-tool this one, we'll have to update every single flag page, and that's a bad idea. --Barrister 09:47, 5 April 2006 (PDT)

Month

The 'Month' tag which replaced 'Infobox crew' when auto-converting number dates to text is booched, for April at least. It won't accept 04, but will accept 4. --Sagacious 14:43, 8 April 2006 (PDT)

It's not booched. We're following a standard, having multiple standards means we'd require more pages for this, which I think is unnecessary. --Thunderbird 15:12, 8 April 2006 (PDT)
Can we not use the old standard of including the 0's. --Sagacious 16:41, 8 April 2006 (PDT)
I prefer not to use leading zeroes. In general (not just for wikis), they should only be used when there's no way around it. --Barrister 16:47, 8 April 2006 (PDT)
For this implementation, there's pretty much no reason to use a leading zero. Most people don't think to use the 0 and it would be a bother to have to add that kind of correction to the ones that already need tending to. --Guppymomma 17:17, 8 April 2006 (PDT)

Proposal

Not all flags have a monarch. I propose adding a {{hasmonarch}} field (defaulting to yes), and if it says no, it just writes "No monarch" into that field. Because it looks kinda silly now with the way it's done. --Thunderbird 21:03, 30 June 2006 (PDT)

We might as well take advantage of all this default value stuff. Unless it breaks the template, anything that makes it simpler to use is a good thing, I think. --Emufarmers 21:18, 30 June 2006 (PDT)
Support. This default stuff is most excellent. --Barrister 21:54, 30 June 2006 (PDT)
Wow, we have default parameters now? When did that happen? --AtteSmythe 21:37, 1 July 2006 (PDT)
The other day when they migrated hardware/software or something for the forum, they gave us a shiny new updated Mediawiki as well :) --Guppymomma 21:38, 1 July 2006 (PDT)

Can we get the "has monarch" option documented? Thanks. --Therack 01:20, 19 March 2007 (PDT)

Default values oddity

So I was noticing the infobox on The Phantom Fleet was broken due to not having a value for number of islands which I thought was odd, but I fixed it anyhow. Then I came over here and saw that it did indeed have a default value but it didn't seem to be in action (check the diffs from the last two edits). Anyone have an idea what's up with that? --Guppymomma 09:01, 25 August 2006 (PDT)

The problem was that the parameter was there, and essentially filled in (though filled in with a blank space). The default value only comes up if the parameter is left off. --Thunderbird 09:39, 25 August 2006 (PDT)
I've seen this, too. We could probably put in an expression to check whether the string is blank or not, but that's a little bit beyond my wikiskills right now. The problem, I think, is that folks grab the empty template code from the usage instructions, then fill in what they need, and don't remove the rest. --AtteSmythe 09:54, 25 August 2006 (PDT)

Images, Policies, Royalty, Title, and Flag Description

Template:Infobox_flag2

Maybe someone could improve what I did here. It just has a couple of little bugs...

My own flag, DarkBlaze, uses it, so you can see it in action :-)

--ROCKAB88M 00:18, 12 November 2006 (PST)

Ok, my thoughts: I've been considering an optional element for an image, intended to be used for flag portraits or flag images. I hadn't decided if they were useful enough to even propose yet, though since you've done it, this is probably not a bad time for that discussion. There's precedent (c.f. Silver Dawn). Image credits should remain on the image's page, not the infobox. Royalty/Titled lists would be better served in a collapsible box like the one Captain N made for Moonlit. Flag description belongs in the article text, IMO. --AtteSmythe 11:31, 13 November 2006 (PST)
The image 'credits' aren't very big and they're not really credits because all you get to say is the designers name. It is also optional. In fact the whole flag bit is optional.

And I want to know, despite my continued efforts to state facts about what I've done, people continue to present their opinons on them as facts not thoughts. Image credits should/Royalty/Titled lists would be better served/Flag description belongs in the article text

I prefaced it with "My thoughts." That should clarify to you that everything following it is my opinion. And I realize it's optional, but it remains my opinion that that is the sort of information that belongs in the article body, or the image article, not the flag infobox. The purpose of the infoboxes (and this isn't my opinion, but what I've gathered from my work on them and conversations with their designers) is that they're to provide at-a-glance information. --AtteSmythe 22:23, 13 November 2006 (PST)

Founded date

For the sake of consistancy, I think that the flag template should have a founded date like that of the crew template. Like the crew template this is something that does not change, but would let the world know how long the Flag has been around. --timberscout 22:23, 30 January 2007 (PST)

Agreed. -- Faulkston 09:44, 10 June 2007 (PDT)
Double agreed. --Muffynz 12:23, 10 June 2007 (PDT)
Tripled, and bumped. -- Thefirstdude (t/c) 22:51, 30 June 2007 (PDT)
Added. --Thunderbird 01:28, 5 April 2008 (PDT)

Remove Infobox Toaster Link

Can we get the link down the bottom of the page removed.... PTG's domain is currently a porn placeholder page...

The link to infobox toaster has not yet been removed. Sysop, pretty please? --Arminius 14:03, 18 March 2007 (PDT)

And while you're at it, could you please, please do the stuff discussed here? :/ -- Thefirstdude (t/c) 14:09, 18 March 2007 (PDT)

Error in usage for templage

In the template usage flagid is misspelled as fladid -- Vorky 05:25, 11 April 2007 (PDT)

All fixed now. -- Cedarwings (t/c) 09:07, 11 April 2007 (PDT)
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