User talk:Groundhogs/Archive/2006

Subst

Ahoy there! Just a word in your ear: when you use templates like test, you can have it copy the code directly into the page in question by adding "subst:" to the front of the template name.

Ordinarily it reproduces as this:

Ahoy there! Thanks for experimenting with YPPedia. Your test edit (or edits) worked, and has been reverted. Please use the sandbox for any other tests you want to do, and take a look at the welcome page if you would like to learn more about contributing to our encyclopedia. Fair winds!

Which is fine, but if you edit the page later on, instead of the full text, the user just sees {{test}}, which can be confusing. If you append the subst, then you get...

Ahoy there! Thanks for experimenting with YPPedia. Your test edit (or edits) worked, and has been reverted. Please use the sandbox for any other tests you want to do, and take a look at the welcome page if you would like to learn more about contributing to our encyclopedia. Fair winds!

...which is easier on new people who might not even know what a template is yet. (Edit this page to see the difference.)

Fair winds! --Ponytailguy 20:56, 29 December 2006 (PST)

10-4 PTG.--Arminius 21:06, 29 December 2006 (PST)

Kid gloves, eh? ;)

While it's good that you mopped up the offensive content on Munji quite quickly, if someone's engaging in behaviour that would merit a /complain or /blackspot if they were doing it in-game (as was the case here), you might find it more useful to use a more forceful warning template (or manually write something out). It's very difficult to "accidentally" create a page that says "so and so is a %$^#%^$%", after all, and malicious vandalism of that type is handled a bit differently than newbie mistakes. --Ponytailguy 23:00, 29 December 2006 (PST)

I'm just applying more or less the same rules in the real Wiki. First warning sounds lame for an action like this, but I try to be nice the first time.--Arminius 23:12, 29 December 2006 (PST)

Aye, but there's a reason we try and indoctrinate "YPPedia != Wikipedia" into the users... for one thing, if someone created a wikipedia page about me and ran up a blue streak about how horrible I am, the odds of me ever running across it are slim to none; because the YPPedia is maintained by the same people who are featured in it, though, pirate pages (and, by extension, slander) have to be taken a bit more seriously. That may be the most important difference of all... on wikipedia, users are actively discouraged from creating pages about themselves. On the YPPedia, if the user doesn't build their own page, odds are nobody else will, either, making it an incredibly personal effort and product.

Likewise, we try and recognize intent whenever possible, and as I said, it's kinda difficult to deliberately and obviously slander someone in the fashion employed here without meaning to. --Ponytailguy 23:24, 29 December 2006 (PST)

What would be the best way for one of us without any real wiki-superpowers to deal with this type of individuals? AFAIK, there are no appropiate warning tags for them. Should we just delete the vandalism (if new page) and tag it for speedy deletion? --Arminius 21:21, 30 December 2006 (PST)

Yes, that's your best bet. In general, I suggest leaving discipline (where necessary) to administrators and the OMs; if you issue a warning (or issue a "you may/will be banned" statement, for that matter), you're kind of tying our hands even if we disagree with your judgement. If we overturn your warning and block the person, they'll probably be confused and upset since they thought they just got off with a slap on the wrist; the converse being that if you assure someone they'll be blocked soon enough, and we decide that it wasn't quite that serious, it's just as confusing.

This doesn't mean that you shouldn't be helping new users, or using the testX templates where appropriate, but if someone's engaging in behaviour that you think would merit a /complain, /blackspot or /mute in-game, leave it to the admins to mop up. :) --Ponytailguy 21:29, 30 December 2006 (PST)

Test Warning

Why was I given a test warning for an obviously deliberate change to my pirate page? I haven't seen a rule anywhere that says I'm not allowed to put trophies on my page if I so choose. --Bowserbabe 20:36, 30 December 2006 (PST)

Warning in the Wrong Space

Please put warnings on user talk pages, not user pages. Users may not get warnings if you don't warn on the appropriate user talk page. Thank you. --Captain N 20:46, 30 December 2006 (PST)

Thanks for the notice. My mistake. Fixed. --Arminius 20:51, 30 December 2006 (PST)

Check this delete after reading

I just looked at this http://yppedia.puzzlepirates.com/Jiraiyasama%27s_Recordingsand it is basically a biography should i put this up for deletion or re write it under his biography for his pirate name. Tell me what you think - Cavaliers06

Tag it with {{delete}}. Jiraiyasamma has a page already. Cheers! --Arminius 21:17, 30 December 2006 (PST)