User talk:Ztau

Jarred homunculus

Ahoy! Posting colours not seen in-game is a violation of the YPPedia's spoiler policy, and may also be misleading to users. In addition, no other furniture item has its own article, or an image of all the colours. While I appreciate that you went through a lot of work to create the image and the page, neither are appropriate for the wiki. --Belthazar451 10:25, 21 February 2009 (UTC)

I should have guess it would be a violation of something. Can you suggest how I should proceed?

Stick with what we had previously, pretty much. If someone has a jarred homunculus and wants to know what colour it is, it's fine then to use ScenePainter (or whatever) to look it up and tell them, but otherwise we don't know what colours it's available in. --Belthazar451 10:39, 21 February 2009 (UTC)

If your main point of contention is including colours that are not known to be available in the game, i can edit the image to include only those colours i have seen either in game or being auctioned on the forums, and continue to edit as more colours become known. Would that be ok?

There's also the fact that no other furniture item (besides the tiki portal, which is a special case) has its own article or colour table. The main reason for this is probably that the colour combinations for most furniture items are easily viewable in-game, but even for the ones that aren't, it's probably not terribly neccesary for there to be an article or colour table. Mind you, there's no official policy on this - it's just my own reasoning. Maybe we need an official policy. =) --Belthazar451 10:49, 21 February 2009 (UTC)

Well there seems to be plenty of demand for an official table of colours for cursed isle items, as you can see if you read through this thread on the forums. Of course such tables would not be necessary if hovering over an item indicated its colours like clothes do, but sadly that doesn't happen, and these items are not available at furniture stalls so people can't check there either. Perhaps I might not have picked the right place to put it, but it does not seem unreasonable to include it here somewhere. Other people have already been doing similar things here and here, the second of which you yourself appear to have contributed to. --Ztau 11:08, 21 February 2009 (UTC)

Trinket colours are a bit different to furniture colours. For one thing, trinkets can be displayed by pirates, unlike furniture items. Secondly, they've been around practically since the game started, and have never had any facility in place within the game for finding their colours. Until Atlantis came out, basically any furniture's colour could be determined by going to a furnisher and playing with the colour options until you got one that looked the same. Of course, the release of Atlantean non-purchaseable furniture kinda changed that.

In the end, I'm not entirely certain on the right course of action here. That's why it's good that wikis work on consensus - means I can just raise issues and let The Mob hammer things out. =) What I do know, though, is that getting images wholesale out of the game files (which is what ScenePainter does) is tripping over the spoiler policy. On a slightly different note, while it does make the image smaller, I'm not sure how helpful it is to post all the images with both colourable regions the same colour - makes it a little hard to spot the different regions. --Belthazar451 11:20, 21 February 2009 (UTC)

As I suggested I can edit the image to include only colours known to exist in-game. I would have to assume that the existence of a secondary colour indicates that colour would also exist as a primary colour (and vice-versa). To have to verify BOTH primary and secondary colours would require a lot more time and effort in tracking down in-game examples of each. To be honest I don't understand the point of this spoiler rule you are referring to. The reason for the table is not to indicate what colours are available in the game (which I made a point of mentioning), but to allow pirates to compare a jar they see in the game (or a screenshot) with it so they know what colour it is. How or why anyone would considered themselves spoiled by viewing it is beyond me. Regarding the visibility of the herbs against the jar, I had considered having a separate section with each jar of the same colour to show the different herb colours against it, but that would mean making the table twice as big. I could however crop just the area of the herbs for each angle of the jar, which would make that section much smaller. Should I edit and update the image to remove unverified colours or just wait for you to consult with the other admins/wiki community on how to handle this whole situation of identifying the colours of atlantean and cursed isle furniture first? --Ztau 11:46, 21 February 2009 (UTC)

I have created a new temporary image in response to your suggestion about the herbs being hard to spot with both primary and secondary colours being the same. I also managed to integrate the herbs into the table without needing a separate section. If you still want me to exclude unverified colours it will be a simple matter now to edit the table as required. --Ztau 15:01, 21 February 2009 (UTC)

(undent) I like your new image, it definitely highlights the secondary color better. In regards to the spoiler policy - while I don't think it's anymore a violation than the parrot or trinket charts (many of which show color combinations previously unseen) I have asked for confirmation from the Ringers. Until then let's leave this alone. --Fiddler 02:55, 22 February 2009 (UTC)