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Strategies & Mugs Pages
Back to the original question. Looking at how the table is linked, there are links to both the mugs and the strategies. On the mug page, there are links to the mugs. The single mug page that was created was immediately proposed for deletion. There are three main choices:
- A. Remove the links to mugs if there's not enough info for them to have their own page. Leave strategies links & make strategies pages.
- B. Leave the links to mugs and place the recipe info on mug pages. Leave strategies links & make strategies pages.
- C. Leave the links to mugs and remove the links to strategies and place recipe & strategies on mug pages.
I pretty much know nothing about drinking so I don't know if the strategies are general or more specifized for each vs. mug. I just want to stop newcomers from creating a page due to the red links and feeling discouraged from further contributions because their contribution was immediately proposed for deletion. --Guppymomma 06:28, 16 August 2005 (PDT)
Worse, the page didn't contain a link to the Mug page (which I've added).
In my opinion, the Drinking page should contain at least a brief summary of the effects of each mug, if not some notes on how best to use such a mug. Mugs aren't like swords -- they have unique effects, and understanding what they are is important to successful drinking. I think this is especially true if we leave that huge scary table on the page. -- Pigeon 23:28, 19 August 2005 (PDT)
- Just add a link in the appropriate spot to the mugs page saying that a description of each mug's effects is there. --Guppymomma 23:50, 19 August 2005 (PDT)
Revamp
Very nice work on the revamp. It's probably worth finding some pictures of the cask, fries, and hook to add to the text. --Barrister 15:46, 19 September 2005 (PDT)
I'm only just getting into this 'new' drinking lark so don't feel I have the authority to make the change - but isn't the cask worth 100 bonus points rather than 50? Ruby spoon 15:12, 13 August 2006 (PDT)
No, it's only 50 but it frequently adds 100 points because if you put the last piece in a row down on an unstained square, the value of the kegs are doubled. Daedalus 19:41, 13 August 2006 (PDT)
Okay, I see it clearly now. In that case I propose a shift of viewpoint. I've always considered rows to be worth 200, with the value being halved if the row is already stained. This is because the vast majority of rows cleared (and perhaps more significantly the first few rows you are likely to see cleared when you first play the game) are worth 200, so it seems intuitive that that should be considered 'normal'. The same applies to the kegs. I can see an argument for describing it either way, but I think 'halving' rather than 'doubling' would be the canonical viewpoint, as well as the best way for new players to understand the game. Ruby spoon 07:53, 25 August 2006 (PDT)
Well, the official documentation on scoring in Drinking uses "Multiplied by 2" language so I was following that since this yppedia page is supposed to document the way that drinking actually works, which is pretty darn confusing... so making this page's description of the scoring work "in reverse" from the OOO version doesn't make sense. Daedalus 13:43, 31 August 2006 (PDT)
Classic section
- Shro0m 23:52, 23 September 2005 (PDT): As of this writing -- is it four turns you miss when ye pass out? I'll be testing this on my next chance to play (because I'm thinking these days you only miss 2 turns)
- So I was playing an unrated classic rules game the other day and Casks were pieces and I do believe counted as in normal. --Curlykidd 21:37, 18 November 2006 (PST)
- Was just playing again and got casks, used casks and won a row, got the normal rules scoring. Updating section. -- Curlykidd 10:53, 21 November 2006 (PST)
- Just did a quick test on Midnight. Placed a few pieces, opponent didn't, went and both passed out. I got the 200 point stain bonus with much of the board unstained. Updated to reflect this. --Curlykidd 07:48, 7 December 2006 (PST)
Curious-
That strategy table is really awesome, but has it been evaluated since the last mug rebalance?
For instance-with the skull the way it is, there are some instances where forcing the skull to use specials can be good strategy. Mugs like the wood cup, goblet and stein would benifit in forcing the skull to use one or two fries to clear their rows, negating a signifigant amount of the row value-while those mugs likely would gain more points with their bonuses while the skull waited for its specials. Also, in the endgame, with the board clogged, forcing your opponent to take -40 drinking kegs or using hooks can also be very effective. --Rick9109
- The strategy table has not been updated significantly since before the rebalancing; feel free to take a stab at it, since it sounds like you know what you're talking about. :P --Emufarmers 09:32, 7 May 2006 (PDT)
- You can check the history of an article to see the last time it was updated, as well as compare edits to see what changes were made. As Emu said, this hasn't been updated in awhile, so feel free to take a stab at it! --Fannon 11:01, 7 May 2006 (PDT)
All right, feel free to comment or condemn this-but I updated it to the best of my ability. One change-Short stragey was almost identical to aggressive stragey,so I combined the two. I also created "stain" strat for real-estate controlling games and "high piece" for "always playing the highest piece" games. Good? Yes no? --Rome 23:56, 7 May 2006 (PDT)
Just a note, the "Aggressive" style is listed twice, with two different descriptions. --Lanya 15:34, 17 November 2006 (PST)
Drunkenness
Would the article be improved by adding images of the different levels of drunkenness? -- Vorky 17:54, 28 May 2007 (PDT)
Yes. It also needs pictures of the keg, fries and hook as Barrister pointed out a while back. Daedalus 08:37, 20 August 2007 (PDT)
