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== Thank Ye! ==
Thanks for the heads up on the Redirect and copying it for me!
Didn't know that I wasn't allowed to do that so thanks for not getting me into trouble for it!
--[[User:Crashdoom|Crashdoom]] 10:07, 14 October 2009 (GMT)
== ! Template ==
Sorry, the <nowiki>{{Midnight|foo}}</nowiki> approach doesn't really work if used as a template parameter since that is an autolink too. It renders with additional brackets visible around the link. --[[User:Alfwyn|Alfwyn]] 09:56, 9 March 2008 (PDT)
I guess I used an unlucky formulated disclaimer at the helpdesk. What I wanted to express was that while I'm confident that it works and is a good idea to use, I would rather like to see it used on some pages first before using it in other templates or changing a lot of pages to use it. --[[User:Alfwyn|Alfwyn]] 12:07, 9 March 2008 (PDT)
== Edit Frequency  ==
Opps, have'nt used MediaWiki formatting in some time, so I was saving it without a preveiw. Thanks fer the message. And one question: how can show more than one pet on a Pirate Article page?
Thank ye--[[User:Knowledge13|Knowledge13]] 06:46, 13 March 2008 (PDT)
Thanks once again! arr!--[[User:Knowledge13|Knowledge13]] 07:04, 13 March 2008 (PDT)
Amoyer wanted to thank you for helping me with my, priate page.
--[[User:Deneochris|Deneochris]] 11:01, 19 March 2008 (PDT)
Harr!  Thanks for the help! --[[User:Sharktailz|Sharktailz]] 02:45, 26 March 2008 (PDT)
On my pirate page, [[Iameric], i had a list of two ships that were renamed using one shanghai and you took the list off of my page. I'm just wondering if it had something to do with the fact that they were only renamed using one shanghai instead of two but i'd just like to know the reason for the edit. If you want proof do a /vw on the Sick Spot and Prickly Pufferfish (this ship is no longer in my possesion)
== My pirate article  ==
[[Donkykongs]]Hey i was wondering soemthing sicne idotn ahve my own gallery and portrait could imake a picture or image on the program "Paint" then save it with the right name then upload it as my pirates image or portrait? If i can could you tell me what i should name the picture and what image tag. Because itried it but it says extension error.
==Second portrait page deleted==
Could u please explain why u did that? Pirate is [[Owlwhisperer]]. Thank you.
I understood why you deleted the portrait, BUT that page contained another image, and i was going to post some text too. What this full deletion has done is discourage me from being creative and contributing. Which is sad. And also, i wrote to the hosting site for my avatar, they have not answered yet as to whether it is copyright violation. They have instructions on their site how to use the avatar in yahoo signature ([http://www.thedollpalace.com/manual/index.php?manual_article_id=29 here]), this is why i assumed i am allowed to post the image as long as i provide the link to their site. (I'm sorry for this multiple editing, not all ideas came at the same time.)--[[User:Saintdiana|Saintdiana]] 00:43, 16 April 2008 (PDT)
== dispusted tag ==
I'm not quite sure if [http://yppedia.puzzlepirates.com/Rumble_sprinkle_calculations this] page should have this tag {{tl|disputed}} Or possibly this one: {{Message_box|
id =Opinion|
backgroundcolor =AntiqueWhite|
image =Opinion.gif|
heading =The values used in this article are for the purposes of demonstrating relative values only.|
message = The actual mechanical values behind the puzzle are undetermined as of this time.}}
Or none? Just thought I'd ask someone who knows better. --[[User:Inschato|Inschato]] 19:25, 17 April 2008 (PDT)
==Flag id required==
* I just created a page located [[Castaway Cove]]. I was not sure where I would find a flag id, could you please add the flag id of Castaway Cove to the page. Thanks! [[User:Jodiee5|Jodiee5]] 00:25, 23 April 2008 (PDT)
* Awesome! Thanks for the tip, it'll really make things easier for me.  :)  [[User:Jodiee5|Jodiee5]] 01:38, 23 April 2008 (PDT)
Ahoy, just wondering where all the lovely info regarding Malachite Ocean is coming from. Just wondered if I would be able to get a head start on getting the shoppe pages sorted out. --[[User:Fearlessphil|Fearlessphil]] 14:24, 5 May 2008 (PDT)
:Start [[Cephalopod|here]] and be a creative explorer.  --[[User:Amoyer| Cedarwings]] <sup>([[User talk:Amoyer|talk]])</sup> 14:25, 5 May 2008 (PDT)
::Probably not worth starting the shoppe pages until we can gain access to the ocean.  --[[User:Amoyer| Cedarwings]] <sup>([[User talk:Amoyer|talk]])</sup> 14:29, 5 May 2008 (PDT)
:::Thanks. I just started trying to do a shoppe page, then relised how little information could actually be put on. I'll go back to doing the Sage ones then. --[[User:Fearlessphil|Fearlessphil]] 14:37, 5 May 2008 (PDT)
Regarding the inscription on {{malachite|Viper's Drop}}, I wrote it as LonelyDucky as that is how it appears on the inscription itself. Should we make it a piped link instead? --[[User:Belthazar451|Belthazar451]] 05:31, 8 May 2008 (PDT)
:Good point.  I will look into this.  --[[User:Amoyer| Cedarwings]] <sup>([[User talk:Amoyer|talk]])</sup> 12:26, 8 May 2008 (PDT)
== please explain your actions... ==
it explains itself in the link
Interlinks should be used when linking to wikipedia? Re: your recent edits =P -- [[User:Burninat0r|Burninat0r]] 00:00, 12 May 2008 (PDT)
:Yup! They are a little prettier then an external link.  --[[User:Amoyer| Cedarwings]] <sup>([[User talk:Amoyer|talk]])</sup> 00:24, 12 May 2008 (PDT)
::They're prettier, but isn't wikipedia external? /e is mildly confused. --[[User:Burninat0r|Burninat0r]] 11:47, 12 May 2008 (PDT)
:::Read this: [[Help:Linking]]. --[[User:Guppymomma|Guppymomma]] 15:14, 12 May 2008 (PDT)
== Island IDs ==
I'm vaguely curious as to the point of adding the island IDs to the island infoboxes for Malachite, considering that most of them simply send you to a "can't find this colonised island!" page. If you are planning to continue with it, you may want to hold off on doing anything past Draco - I think we may shortly find another island to the east of Spizzwink, and I'm not sure how many more (if any) there will be past that. --[[User:Belthazar451|Belthazar451]] 05:57, 14 May 2008 (PDT)
:I've mentioned this once before, but I can't seem to remember which page it was on so here it goes again.  We know that Barracuda has an islandid=44.  Islandid's are given based on an alphabetical list of archipelagos and the islands contained in each one.  Since we know what Barracuda, Chelydra,  Chysalis, and Salstraum are it is safe to add islandid's to the islands prior to those on the ocean list.  The only archipelagos that could have more islands in them are Lacerta and Whiptail.  --[[User:Amoyer| Cedarwings]] <sup>([[User talk:Amoyer|talk]])</sup> 06:05, 14 May 2008 (PDT)
::That's not entirely true.  Changes can be made to island names without affecting the underlying island ID numbers. --[[User:Fiddler|Fiddler]] 06:13, 14 May 2008 (PDT)
:::Aye, there is a precedent for island IDs being out of order - cf {{sage|Basset Island}} and {{sage|Admiral Island}}. That said, part of my point was '''why''' we need to add all the island ids. The uninhabited islands on the other arches don't have it listed. --[[User:Belthazar451|Belthazar451]] 06:49, 14 May 2008 (PDT)
:There also appears to be a precedent of omitting island IDs from uncolonized islands. Looking around Sage and Hunter articles, the only infoboxes with IDs are the colonized ones. --[[User:Chupchup|Chupchup]] 13:42, 14 May 2008 (PDT)
:Fine.  While I agree and disagree with some of the comments, I have removed them anyway.  As for the islandid's being in order, it goes both ways.  Cobalt, Viridian and Hunter are all in order.  And so far it would appear that Malachite is too.  We'll see as time goes on.  As for Belthazar's comments about another island in Draco, I disagree, but that is just my opinion.  --[[User:Amoyer| Cedarwings]] <sup>([[User talk:Amoyer|talk]])</sup> 15:10, 14 May 2008 (PDT)
::Sorry, I didn't mean for you to have to go through all that work over again. And yes, my theory about another island in Draco is quite possibly completely and utterly wrong. =) --[[User:Belthazar451|Belthazar451]] 18:49, 14 May 2008 (PDT)
== Flotilla pages ==
I hate to interrupt in the middle of your work, but I'm not sure I see how updating [[User:Amoyer/Templates/Cobalt Ocean flotillas]] would then feed into the individual brigand king pages. --[[User:Fiddler|Fiddler]] 09:49, 16 May 2008 (PDT)
:I know, I realized that part way through and I'm trying to work it out.  --[[User:Amoyer| Cedarwings]] <sup>([[User talk:Amoyer|talk]])</sup> 09:54, 16 May 2008 (PDT)
::Hang on a few minutes, I've got an idea.  Let me mock something up real fast.--[[User:Fiddler|Fiddler]] 09:58, 16 May 2008 (PDT)
Take a look at this - [[User:Fiddler/Sandbox 3]].  Top section is the separate page, bottom is how to include it in the articles.  We'll end up with 42 subpages, each of which can be edited independently.  Someone updating can click through the Cobalt flotillas page and hit edit, but someone looking at the brigand king article would just see the information.  The template will need to be revised to to simply show the one ocean at a time so it can be easily tabled for the king's article. --[[User:Fiddler|Fiddler]] 10:06, 16 May 2008 (PDT)
:What I was trying to do was minimize the number of edits required to update an oceans' flotillas.  You mock up certainly makes it easier to locate all of the pages to update, but it still requires the same number of edits in the end.  --[[User:Amoyer| Cedarwings]] <sup>([[User talk:Amoyer|talk]])</sup> 10:09, 16 May 2008 (PDT)
::Although, I'm not sure what I was thinking is even possible.  --[[User:Amoyer| Cedarwings]] <sup>([[User talk:Amoyer|talk]])</sup> 10:15, 16 May 2008 (PDT)
::Right, but I think it's the only way to provide the information on both pages.  You can only transclude complete pages, not parts (excepting noinclude, but that only works once per page) and you can't have one template access the variables set in another template.--[[User:Fiddler|Fiddler]] 10:18, 16 May 2008 (PDT)
:::I got to the point where I realized I couldn't access the variables set in another template that really stopped me.  I'll take bits and pieces from everywhere and make a clean mock up.  --[[User:Amoyer| Cedarwings]] <sup>([[User talk:Amoyer|talk]])</sup> 10:22, 16 May 2008 (PDT)
::::Might I suggest putting the Edit Flotilla link inside the flotilla box itself? I edited your [[User:Amoyer/Templates/Cobalt_Ocean_flotillas|Cobalt Ocean Flotillas template]] to demonstrate. It looks a bit prettier (though at present doesn't have the right URL - not sure how to fix it). --[[User:Belthazar451|Belthazar451]] 23:22, 16 May 2008 (PDT)
== Ultimate List Template ==
I created a new template for diplaying the ultimate list on puzzle pages. The template can be found at [[Template:Ultlist]]. The format for the template is simply <nowiki>{{ultlist|x}}</nowiki>, where x is the ID number for the puzzle in question - for example, SF is 0, drinking is 1, bilging is 2, et cetera. This is to simplify updates to the ultimate list table. For example if a new ocean is added (as has happened) then rather than update all eighteen puzzle pages, we just need to update the one template.
Unfortunately, in creating it, my reach exceeded my grasp a little. I'd wanted to make it more user-friendly - rather than entering the puzzle ID, I wanted the user to be able to enter the puzzle name, as in <nowiki>{{ultlist|Drinking}}</nowiki>. To that end, I created a lookup template named [[Template:Puzzletype]] and associated yes/no templates. Unfortunately, it doesn't seem to be passing values correctly, and I can't for the life of me work out what's wrong. Since the ultlist template wouldn't be used by general users very often, I probably didn't need the more user-friendly format after all, and so they can probably be deleted.
In any case, I've installed my new template on the Carousing puzzle pages so you (and others) can see how it looks before I go the whole hog and put it on all the puzzle pages. --[[User:Belthazar451|Belthazar451]] 22:12, 24 May 2008 (PDT)
:Bleh, worked out the problem - you'd think I would have thought of case sensitivity FIRST. The question now is whether it's still worth implementing. Especially since it'd require eighteen pairs of yes/no templates. --[[User:Belthazar451|Belthazar451]] 17:06, 25 May 2008 (PDT)
::It's probably not worth it.  If there was another application for this, then maybe.  But I'm not sure it is worth the effort.  I was trying to work it out, but without the functionality of the "if" function, it ends up requiring a lot more work then I was willing to put into it.  The addition of the {{tl|Ultlist}} helps, especially for future additions and changes.  One thing that might be useful is to put an usage section on that template that has a list of what each ult list's number is (ie. 25=TD, etc.).  --[[User:Amoyer| Cedarwings]] <sup>([[User talk:Amoyer|talk]])</sup> 21:07, 25 May 2008 (PDT)
:::Aye, I was going to add the usage section once we decided to implement the template fully. Given your okay, I think I'll go and add the template to the other puzzle pages now. It's simple enough later if we want to change back just by adding a subst in the template call. Since we're not going to use the puzzletype template I tentatively created, it and the assorted sub-templates probably need deleting - sorry for adding the extra work. --[[User:Belthazar451|Belthazar451]] 22:14, 25 May 2008 (PDT)
I know, I was going to do that but i was in the middle of a few issues that need to be attended. Cause i'm helping my self and tring to expand the Ypp. But thanks for doing it for me.
== Page Move ==
Ahoy! Could ye move ''A New Beggining'' to [[A New Beginning]]? I'd do it myself, only the wiki software won't let me, since there's already a different redirect page in the destination. --[[User:Belthazar451|Belthazar451]] 10:26, 5 June 2008 (PDT)
:All done.  Maybe a note regarding the defunct crew should be added to the existing page.  --[[User:Amoyer| Cedarwings]] <sup>([[User talk:Amoyer|talk]])</sup> 10:29, 5 June 2008 (PDT)
::Aye, there's a thought. --[[User:Belthazar451|Belthazar451]] 10:32, 5 June 2008 (PDT)
== Listed Trophies ==
Ahoy mate, I was looking at [[Excal]] and noticed he had trophies listed on his pirate page. Even though they are contained in a show/hide box, is this still permissable or is it still against policy even hidden since a direct link to trophies still exists in the pirates infobox? --[[User:Biliter01| Haywoodx]]<sup><small>([[User talk:Biliter01|t]]/[[Special:Contributions/Biliter01|c]])</small></sup> 11:32, 14 June 2008 (PDT)
::Coinky Dink--[[User:Biliter01| Haywoodx]]<sup><small>([[User talk:Biliter01|t]]/[[Special:Contributions/Biliter01|c]])</small></sup> 11:34, 14 June 2008 (PDT)
== Ships ==
Why can you not have your ships on your page?
:There is a [[YPPedia:Policies_and_guidelines#Individual_Pirate_Articles|policy]] that exists that states that you cannot.  --[[User:Amoyer| Cedarwings]] <sup>([[User talk:Amoyer|talk]])</sup> 18:54, 16 June 2008 (PDT)
::Then why do other people have them on thier pages?
:::Discussion of ships, if incorporated into a factual encyclopedic reference to some event, or special occasion in that pirates career is fine.  Renamed vessels are special because the pirate took time to construct something unique or personal in naming of the vessel, thus making it noteworthy in pirate pages.  What is against policy is the bullitt style listing of common, non-renamed vessels.  I hope this helps. --[[User:Biliter01| Haywoodx]]<sup><small>([[User talk:Biliter01|t]]/[[Special:Contributions/Biliter01|c]])</small></sup> 22:26, 16 June 2008 (PDT)
== Furniture Names ==
In the game, those items are named with capitals. [http://toomuchwin.com/Uploads/Shipwheel-lavender.png] [http://toomuchwin.com/Uploads/Dartboard.png]. Also other items such as [[:Image:Furniture-Skeleton_in_Shackles.png]] are capitalised, same as they are in game. Don't quite get the need to reupload :-/ --[[User:Sagacious|Sagacious]] <sup>([[User_talk:Sagacious|talk]])</sup> 19:04, 17 June 2008 (PDT)
:I just realized that as soon as I logged onto Ice.  Brain fart, I thought all the furniture items only had the first name capitalized.  I'll put it back in a minute.  --[[User:Amoyer| Cedarwings]] <sup>([[User talk:Amoyer|talk]])</sup> 19:11, 17 June 2008 (PDT)
::Ok, I just remember trying to get the caps right and was confused by the changes :-) --[[User:Sagacious|Sagacious]] <sup>([[User_talk:Sagacious|talk]])</sup> 19:22, 17 June 2008 (PDT)
:::Nope, you were right.  I obviously checked my brain at the door when I logged in today.  --[[User:Amoyer| Cedarwings]] <sup>([[User talk:Amoyer|talk]])</sup> 19:23, 17 June 2008 (PDT)
::::A lot of items have all words capitalised in-game but only have an initial capital in the wiki. All of the multi-word trinket names, for example. I though the YPPedia policy was to have leading capital only, regardless of how they were done in-game. --[[User:Belthazar451|Belthazar451]] 19:41, 17 June 2008 (PDT)
Apart from some of the newer items, the naming convention on the wiki has mirrored that of in-game. I also noticed another minor nitpick with caps on the Carven items. If you could clearup the old images that would be splendid! --[[User:Sagacious|Sagacious]] <sup>([[User_talk:Sagacious|talk]])</sup> 19:57, 17 June 2008 (PDT)
== Atlantean trinket templates ==
I'm wondering whether it's worth revamping the My Trinket templates for the Atlantean trinkets. They're currently set up to use the standard-colour templates, meaning the images showing the available colours turn out quite ugly. For example, [[:Image:Colors_inscribed_shell.png]]. I'm not sure where to discuss this, considering how many pages we're talking about changing, but you seem to be online right now, so here is as good as anywhere. =)
I propose that we change the images for the Atlantean trinkets so that they have atlantean, aqua, blue, navy and lime in that order (lime is last to account for the fact that only an Archelon egg has been found in lime so far) and none of the colours that no Atlantean trinket has been found in. I'm happy to do the work on this myself, but I'm checking with you to make sure it's a good idea before I get stuck into things. --[[User:Belthazar451|Belthazar451]] 00:11, 19 June 2008 (PDT)
:Shortly after the Atlantean trinkets appeared, back in February '08, the admins had a discussion about what to do with the images and it was decided at that time to just add the Atlantean color to the images as this would only require the addition of one more template variable measurement as opposed to, as Guppymomma said, "''That will make for the least insanity in the way of a zillion template articles for the variable measurements.''"
:So as a result, it was determined to go with the red X for the trinkets that don't ''currently'' exist.  --[[User:Amoyer| Cedarwings]] <sup>([[User talk:Amoyer|talk]])</sup> 00:33, 19 June 2008 (PDT)
::I agree that the red X simplifies things so far as wading through endless templates goes, but on the other hand, it's kinda ugly. =) --[[User:Belthazar451|Belthazar451]] 00:45, 19 June 2008 (PDT)
:::I'm not disagreeing with you.  But "Trinket not currently available in this color." wouldn't really fit in a 36x38 inventory box.  Got another suggestion?  --[[User:Amoyer| Cedarwings]] <sup>([[User talk:Amoyer|talk]])</sup> 00:47, 19 June 2008 (PDT)
::::Eh, I suppose it doesn't really matter - I've used a table and the colorize trinket template to approximate a cut-down image for the atlantean trinket pages, and that works perfectly well, albeit by making the page code a little clunky when compared to the other trinket pages. --[[User:Belthazar451|Belthazar451]] 00:51, 19 June 2008 (PDT)
== Change in width limitations. ==
It appears that the width limitations are affecting some of the [[GCPP:Proposal-Danio|GCPP]] pages when the [[Template:GCPP:Proposal Summary/prototype_yes|Prototype Template]] is used.--[[User:Biliter01| Haywoodx]]<sup><small>([[User talk:Biliter01|t]]/[[Special:Contributions/Biliter01|c]])</small></sup> 20:33, 20 June 2008 (PDT)
:I think the solution here is to reorder the [[Template:Grand_Crafting_Puzzle_Project_round_3|GCPP template]] to put the protoype template call first. Specifically, move the line <code><nowiki>{{GCPP:Proposal Summary/prototype {{{prototype|no}}} | link = {{{prototype link}}} }}</nowiki></code> to just under the <nowiki><includeonly></nowiki>. Though some testing might need to be done to see how good that actually looks... --[[User:Belthazar451|Belthazar451]] 21:11, 20 June 2008 (PDT)
::I assuming the issue you are talking about is the blank space beside the contact info.  I don't believe moving the suggested code up to the top is going to fix the problem as the prototype box will not fit beside the contact info box anyway.
::I can't remember how the pages looked specifically before the width limitations were put in place, so for all I know there was always space beside the contact box.  Changing both the prototype box and the game gardens box (have a look at [[GCPP:Proposal-Halibut]] to tables and the contact info to a <nowiki><div></nowiki> box should allow for everything to fit side by side.  Unless someone else has another solution.  --[[User:Amoyer| Cedarwings]] <sup>([[User talk:Amoyer|talk]])</sup> 00:15, 21 June 2008 (PDT)
:::My thought was to move the prototype box to above the contact box, allowing the page text to fill that blank space. --[[User:Belthazar451|Belthazar451]] 05:00, 21 June 2008 (PDT)
::::How's [[User:Amoyer/Sandbox/GCPP|this]] look? --[[User:Amoyer| Cedarwings]] <sup>([[User talk:Amoyer|talk]])</sup> 07:32, 21 June 2008 (PDT)
:::::Looks good, though it might looks better if they were the same width.
:::::While we're talking about widths of things, though, I've noticed that the flag and crew infoboxes get wider when there's a portrait. This is because the portrait widths are set to 280 pixels, which is the same width as the infobox sans portrait. Thus the 280-pixel portrait plus the infobox margins ends up making the infobox wider. It looks a bit funny on pages with multiple infoboxes, only one of which has a portrait. --[[User:Belthazar451|Belthazar451]] 07:42, 21 June 2008 (PDT)
::::::I've adjusted the width on both boxes to be the same.  Looks better.  I'll probably implement the changes either tonight or tomorrow, unless someone can see a problem that needs to be addressed first. 
::::::As for the portraits in the flag and crew infoboxes, I think I noticed that before on the BK crew and flag pages.  I won't have a chance to figure out what the correct portrait width should be until either later tonight or tomorrow.  --[[User:Amoyer| Cedarwings]] <sup>([[User talk:Amoyer|talk]])</sup> 11:36, 21 June 2008 (PDT)
:::::::Changes for GCPP have been implemented.  --[[User:Amoyer| Cedarwings]] <sup>([[User talk:Amoyer|talk]])</sup> 23:09, 21 June 2008 (PDT)
::::::It appears that articles that have no infobox table arent an issue with the width in IE7.  Articles that have ample information that extend below the infobox table aren't an issue the the width in IE7.  Articles that are merely just blurbs and their text does NOT extend below the infobox table seem to cause the width issue in IE7.  I tested this by adding text to articles and indeed, it corrected the problem.  Although this isnt a fix to most pirate, crew, flag articles taht are only blurbs with pictured infoboxes, it might give insight to those that can adjuxt the tables in the infobox template.--[[User:Biliter01| Haywoodx]]<sup><small>([[User talk:Biliter01|t]]/[[Special:Contributions/Biliter01|c]])</small></sup> 08:28, 22 June 2008 (PDT)
:::::::Did you test whether it was caused by the <nowiki>{{clear}}</nowiki> template? The stub tags also include <nowiki>{{clear}}</nowiki> templates, and they're usually used on pages which have text shorter than the infobox. Though on a side note, I'm not sure if wholesale editing of random user pages is the best way to test this problem. Copy the page into your user space, or make some sort of mockup - that way you can test it to your heart's content. --[[User:Belthazar451|Belthazar451]] 16:00, 22 June 2008 (PDT)
::::::I did test absenses of both the <nowiki>{{clear}}</nowiki> and the <nowiki>{{stub}} </nowiki> templates to no avail.  You are right, I should have sandboxed something for testing instead of just bumblng around random pages.  I'm confident that its the length of text, or lack thereof thats causing the problems in IE7.--[[User:Biliter01| Haywoodx]]<sup><small>([[User talk:Biliter01|t]]/[[Special:Contributions/Biliter01|c]])</small></sup> 16:15, 22 June 2008 (PDT)
:::::All of this might be a moot (edited) point if we are upgrading our MediaWiki this week.  I know that the forum width adjustment was the first step in the process.  In future versions of MediaWiki it would allow us to upgrade our monobook template to one that supported IE7 properly, even though a lot of fixes have been made in our version, aside from these new ones that have just appeared.  The web developers will be back to work tomorrow and can hopefully help look into the problems.  Maybe we'll also be able to get an update on when the MediaWiki is do for its upgrade.--[[User:Amoyer| Cedarwings]] <sup>([[User talk:Amoyer|talk]])</sup> 16:53, 22 June 2008 (PDT)
::::::I've found another fun width issue. On [[Chthonic Horde]] (and presumably the other BK flag articles), the infobox column overlaps the blockade table. On a side note, I had to be nitpicky, but the phrase you're after is "moot point", and the situation you describe is actually not a moot point - check the dictionary. And yes, I used to make that exact same mistake. =) --[[User:Belthazar451|Belthazar451]] 21:22, 22 June 2008 (PDT)
:::::::Okay, my mistake.  Whatever, you got the point nonetheless.  With the upgrade all the issues with IE7 ''may'' go away.  As for the blockade table, I'll add it to the list and it can be discussed separate from this.  Piling these issues into the same thread could get them lost.  --[[User:Amoyer| Cedarwings]] <sup>([[User talk:Amoyer|talk]])</sup> 22:05, 22 June 2008 (PDT)
==Firefox extension==
If you have Firefox w/Stylish extension, or Opera, you can zap the width restriction away with [http://userstyles.org/styles/5424 the custom stylesheet I've posted]. --[[User:Chupchup|Chupchup]] 22:29, 21 June 2008 (PDT)
:Yes, but the idea is to get it looking pretty for anyone, regardless of browser or extensions. We need to cater for the lowest common denominator - IE. --[[User:Belthazar451|Belthazar451]] 23:38, 21 June 2008 (PDT)
::Unfortunately IE tends to be a problem that regardless of the choices that Firefox users have made to get away from it, it must still be supported by all web developers.  Specifically it is IE7 that seems to have the most problems.  I cannot recommend anyone to install this extension as I would rather see any problems created by the width restrictions solved here for all users then to see a "fix" for a few of the users that care to implement this extension.  --[[User:Amoyer| Cedarwings]] <sup>([[User talk:Amoyer|talk]])</sup> 23:53, 21 June 2008 (PDT)
== Familiar Templates ==
Is there much call for a Colorize familiar template on the style of [[Template:Colorize pet]] or [[Template:Colorize trinket]], or does [[Template:Familiar box]] do the job well enough? --[[User:Belthazar451|Belthazar451]] 03:05, 23 June 2008 (PDT)
== [[The Guild of the Eagle|tGoTE]] ==
Thanks for all your help. I wasn't sure about how to use the banner on many pages without making a template and without having to keep doing it for every single page. I wasn't very sure about a category either... So, thanks. --[[User:HeadofTGOTE|HeadofTGOTE]] 02:29, 26 June 2008 (PDT)
== Your revert in the [[Malachite familiars]] page ==
I looked at that and was confused, because there's a separate page for tan familiar awarded on Malachite and [[User:Sharktailz]] had put on that page the record of winning a TAN familiar(and I looked at the forums for that event and it also said a TAN familiar). Maybe [[User:Geneboo]] wanted it to be in the tan familiars awarded on Malachite record page. I got confused when I saw that revert, maybe I'm wrong, but just in case could you look into that please? Thanks.--[[User:Knowledge13|Knowledge13]] 00:02, 30 June 2008 (PDT)
:Hmm... I guess you are correct.  It was a tan familiar that was won and so it shouldn't be on the Malachite familiars page.  As for the page just for tan familiars, that page is reserved for tan familiars that are won in the weekly familiar tournaments.  I'll remove the tan familiar from the Malachite familiars page.  Thanks for catching that.  --[[User:Amoyer| Cedarwings]] <sup>([[User talk:Amoyer|talk]])</sup> 00:08, 30 June 2008 (PDT)
== [[User:HeadofTGOTE]] ==
Something happened, now when I try to log on as [[User:HeadofTGOTE]] I am instead logged on as [[User:Headoftgote]]. The Yppedia seems to be eliminating all the capitals in my user-name except for the first letter. What can I do? --[[User:Headoftgote|Headoftgote]] 13:41, 7 July 2008 (UTC)
== User talk:Kara jean ==
Thanks, I hadn't thought of that when I set up a redirect. I would like to continue using the name [[User:Kara Jean|Kara_Jean]] but my computer seems to be having problems with it. I recently moved and had to switch internet services, so there's a lot of little things I have had to change and fix with my internet use lately. I will start using Kara_Jean again as soon as I figure out what my computer is doing in this instance. --[[User:Kara jean|Kara jean]] 23:10, 26 July 2008 (UTC)
:Edit: I just read the previous post on this page, and the user, [[User:HeadofTGOTE]], seems to be having the same problem that I am having. I try to log in as Kara_Jean, but the capital "J" automatically switches to "j". My first reaction is to blame my computer, which I have no problem doing, but if this is YPPedia-induced please let me know if you have a cure. Could I please have the page [[User:Kara_jean]] deleted since this has been a misunderstanding and since I enjoy editing under the name with a capital "J"? Thanks again. --[[User:Kara jean|Kara jean]] 23:21, 26 July 2008 (UTC)
::I had forgot about that issue.  I might try a test or two with some user accounts.  --[[User:Amoyer| Cedarwings]] <sup>([[User talk:Amoyer|talk]])</sup> 01:35, 27 July 2008 (UTC)
:::It currently appears that you are no longer able to use account names that contain capital letters, aside from the first letter.  I will follow up with the developers on this subject.  I might be a setting that got wiped out with the upgrade to the MediaWiki last month.  --[[User:Amoyer| Cedarwings]] <sup>([[User talk:Amoyer|talk]])</sup> 01:43, 27 July 2008 (UTC)
::::Thanks muchly, and thanks for deleting the Kara_jean page! --[[User:Kara jean|Kara jean]] 02:15, 27 July 2008 (UTC)
== OM Doll ==
Psst - Hera's doll has been seen in-game. I know, because that's where I got the image I uploaded. Feylind on Midnight has it. =) --[[User:Belthazar451|Belthazar451]] 22:58, 6 August 2008 (UTC)
:My bad on that matter, I made a faulty assumption after seeing the developer dolls that were added from the other day --[[User:Shogib|Shogib]] 23:04, 6 August 2008 (UTC)
::I'm not certain if the developer dolls pass the spoiler policy either - there's certainly no mention on their pirate articles that the dolls have been awarded to anyone. On the flip side, Cronus and Gaea dolls '''were''' awarded, during the [http://forums.puzzlepirates.com/community/mvnforum/viewthread?p=1505721#1505721 same event] in which Hera's doll was awarded to Feylind, so it's really a matter of hunting down the person who won, and checking that they actually have their doll. Specifically, [[Omerta]] got Cronus', and Maert (on Hunter) got Gaea's. I don't want to sound rude, but I don't think wholesale undoing was the answer here. --[[User:Belthazar451|Belthazar451]] 23:26, 6 August 2008 (UTC)
== Fact not opinion ==
Ahoy there! I'd take a look at the contribs of [[User:Altosaxman]], he has been writing  on his crew/flag page as "Hello welcome to our crew (flag on flag page...) page! If you would like to join send me a tell!". He is writing false information on the EPS of the pages. I think he needs an introduction to using the YPPedia properly. Just a thought! --[[User:Addison|Addison]] 22:48, 10 October 2008 (UTC)
== EAC multiple portraits ==
Okay, if you take a look at [[EAC]], you will see that it has multiple misnamed portraits.... I am going to fix them... so I must ask if I should rename them (if at all!) to Image:Flags-EAC.jpg Image:Flags-EAC1.jpg etc... etc... Thanks! --[[User:Addison|Addison]] 15:05, 12 October 2008 (UTC)
== Portrait backgrounds ==
This wiki really needs some sort of editing-in-progress warning. I was in the middle of adding the new limited edition backgrounds, when I noticed you'd already done it while I was working. =)
In any case, should the Jack-'o-Lantern and Ye Dread Dead portraits be in with the limited edition backgrounds rather than the normal backgrounds? They've always been up there, but I can't remember if they've always been available... --[[User:Belthazar451|Belthazar451]] 23:31, 14 October 2008 (UTC)
:I don't think there is any way of getting a "editing-in-progress" from any wiki using MediaWiki software, but I haven't looked into it.
:I don't believe that the Jack-'o-Lantern and Ye Dread Dead portraits were always available.  They should be moved over to the limited edition backgrounds.  --[[User:Amoyer| Cedarwings]] <sup>([[User talk:Amoyer|talk]])</sup> 23:34, 14 October 2008 (UTC)
== Renaming fan arrt ==
Do I have permission to rename misnamed fan art? I was about but I thought I shouldn't do it without asking an administrator. Just leave me a message on my talk page :D --[[User:Addison|Addison]] 22:27, 16 October 2008 (UTC)
== Delete... ==
I'd take a look at deleting [[One Old Stick]], it isn't really needed for a little story on the YPPedia... --[[User:Addison|Addison]] 01:47, 21 October 2008 (UTC)
:Maybe move it to the user namespace? It's kind of interesting, actually. =) --[[User:Belthazar451|Belthazar451]] 02:06, 21 October 2008 (UTC)
::This is what the Art: namespace is for. --[[User:Fiddler|Fiddler]] 02:28, 21 October 2008 (UTC)
::: I found it amusing as well, didn't know about the Art: namespace. Learned something today =-). --[[User:Addison|Addison]] 23:16, 22 October 2008 (UTC)
== Fast question ==
A question real fast, can you mute the edits of a person from a page?
:Yes, in extreme cases of vandalism we have taken the effort to prevent some edits from ever being known.  --[[User:Amoyer| Cedarwings]] <sup>([[User talk:Amoyer|talk]])</sup> 17:05, 16 November 2008 (UTC)
:Your page isn't an extreme case. --[[User:Guppymomma|Guppymomma]] 17:18, 16 November 2008 (UTC)
::OK, then thanks :-) --[[User:Skunkbeard9|Skunkbeard9]] 03:42, 23 November 2008 (UTC)
== The editing ==
Yeah sorry about that im quite new to this and i was trying to help jettornado out and i didnt notice preview button but thanks for pointing that out i will use it next time
== Portal protection ==
I noticed that the Commodities, Housing and Ships portals aren't protected (the other officially linked portals have a cascading protection). While this may make fixing small errors easier, I'm not sure it is the way it is meant to be. --[[User:Alfwyn|Alfwyn]] 22:07, 21 December 2008 (UTC)
<s>Well, portal Voyages is protected, but not cascading.</s> --[[User:Alfwyn|Alfwyn]] 22:18, 21 December 2008 (UTC)
:Was just double checking Voyages when you applied the strikeout on the above.  All the portals are protected with cascading protection now.  I know that without the cascading protection it is easier to update the information without the need for an admin, but with the pages being linked to from in game, there is a need for greater control on the content.  --[[User:Amoyer| Cedarwings]] <sup>([[User talk:Amoyer|talk]])</sup> 00:06, 22 December 2008 (UTC)
== Halloween clothing ==
Shouldn't the clothing in Halloween 2008 be included in [[portrait clothing]]? I've recently had an incident about a pirate looking for it in the article. --[[User:Addison|Addihockey]] ([[User talk:Addison|talk]]/[[Special:Contributions/Addison|contribs]]) 23:41, 21 December 2008 (UTC)
:What are you talking about specifically?  The masks like [[2005_Halloween_events|these]]?  --[[User:Amoyer| Cedarwings]] <sup>([[User talk:Amoyer|talk]])</sup> 00:11, 22 December 2008 (UTC)
::Opps, sorry. Didn't realize there was a separate page for the clothes. My apologies! --[[User:Addison|Addihockey]] ([[User talk:Addison|talk]]/[[Special:Contributions/Addison|contribs]]) 03:30, 22 December 2008 (UTC)
== Infobox change side-effect ==
While it doesn't break the links for BKs (see [[Brynhild Skullsplitter]]) thanks to yoweb completely ignoring case, it doesn't look like it should. --[[User:Alfwyn|Alfwyn]] 19:27, 29 December 2008 (UTC)
:Hmm... forgot about that one.  I'm waiting for the job queue to clear before I do anything further with that template.  --[[User:Amoyer| Cedarwings]] <sup>([[User talk:Amoyer|talk]])</sup> 19:29, 29 December 2008 (UTC)
::Using [[Template:My pets/GCPP big cat]] as pet might be another problem, but nobody uses it right now, so maybe not worth bothering. --[[User:Alfwyn|Alfwyn]] 19:51, 29 December 2008 (UTC)
:::Sorted out the pirate name for BKs.  The CSS tag doesn't work for data processing but for display purposes only.  So I have instead applied the capitalization control to the displayed name only.  As for the GCPP big cat, I'm going to look into that some more.  --[[User:Amoyer| Cedarwings]] <sup>([[User talk:Amoyer|talk]])</sup> 01:56, 30 December 2008 (UTC)
::::Of course this doesn't work for Vargas the Mad which now displays as Vargas '''T'''he Mad.  I'll revert that edit once the job queue clears again.  --[[User:Amoyer| Cedarwings]] <sup>([[User talk:Amoyer|talk]])</sup> 02:10, 30 December 2008 (UTC)
:::I just looked at my pirate article, [[Orsino]] and noticed that my big cat doesn't display anymore.  The infobox is now looking for [[Template:My pets/Gcpp big cat]].  For the meantime, until this is sorted out, I'm just going to make the second link a redirect. --[[User:Fiddler|Fiddler]] 23:45, 4 January 2009 (UTC)
::::Hmm.  For some reason the redirect isn't working properly.  I'm going to delete it for now.  --[[User:Fiddler|Fiddler]] 23:51, 4 January 2009 (UTC)
:::::All fixed.  There were two issues, I've changed the Infobox pirate template so it is just forcing upper case on the first letter and not forcing lower case on all the other letters.  The other issue was the colors are being forced to lower case and to match the rest of the pets, I've moved the GCPP pet colors to be lower case (round 1 not Round 1).  Sorry for the mix up.  --[[User:Amoyer| Cedarwings]] <sup>([[User talk:Amoyer|talk]])</sup> 05:34, 5 January 2009 (UTC)
== Cursed Chalice vs Cursed chalice ==
I thought the convention was initial capital only. --[[User:Belthazar451|Belthazar451]] 14:10, 5 February 2009 (UTC)
:I was leaning that way but there has been no comments about the fact that the page was moved to Cursed Chalice.  In game both words are capitalized, but that doesn't mean that we always follow that example.  --[[User:Amoyer| Cedarwings]] <sup>([[User talk:Amoyer|talk]])</sup> 14:16, 5 February 2009 (UTC)
::I left it uncommented because I couldn't remember whether the convention was moving FROM or TO initial-only captial. After doing some stuff with furniture, though, I've realised it was TO.
::On a different note, rather than changing the CI trinket pages to redirects and de-linking them on the Trinket page, why not give them some unique information, like the Atlantis trinket pages? I'm still working on the all-colour images, but that's no reason to go doing a whole lot of stuff that's gonna be un-done later. Unless you want to change all the Atlantis trinket pages to redirects too? --[[User:Belthazar451|Belthazar451]] 14:20, 5 February 2009 (UTC)
:::I have no problem with a CI trinket page being created.  But if all the pages says is that it is what is contained in the trinket page section, without any trinket images then there is no point.  Once the images have been gather then sure, gather them up and create a page for them, until then the links should remain off.  The pages that were created contained no useful information, and the Hemlock trinket just linked to a Viridian crew so that link would need to be fixed in the table as well.  --[[User:Amoyer| Cedarwings]] <sup>([[User talk:Amoyer|talk]])</sup> 14:24, 5 February 2009 (UTC)
== Cursed Island Trinkets ==
I saw that you disabled the pages being set up for Cursed Island Trinkets.  May I ask how CI trinkets are different from Atlantis Trinkets or any other trinket for that matter?  I didn't set them up origially but if I set them up to be consistent with other trinket pages would you have a problem with my reversing your edit to the Trinket main page?  I do understand why you did since the entries were pretty genereic but I think we can make them consistent with other pages.  Thanks, --[[User:Kgarrett1969|Kgarrett1969]] 15:57, 5 February 2009 (UTC)
:As I said above, if someone wishes to create a page that contains more then, "It is a trinket from Cursed Isles" then go ahead and add the link back in, but there is no need to have a link to a page that contains less information then is provided on the main trinket page.  --[[User:Amoyer| Cedarwings]] <sup>([[User talk:Amoyer|talk]])</sup> 17:00, 5 February 2009 (UTC)
== Eggs ==
Hang on - the first bunch of egg images you've uploaded all have 2009 in the filename - is that correct? --[[User:Belthazar451|Belthazar451]] 20:26, 19 February 2009 (UTC)
:UGGGGGGGHHHHHH!!!! Crap... that's my fault.  --[[User:Amoyer| Cedarwings]] <sup>([[User talk:Amoyer|talk]])</sup> 20:28, 19 February 2009 (UTC)
::Ok, I really screwed that up.  Now I need to delete all of those images.  I'm not sure I have time before I have to go to work.  I'll work on this later tonight.  If someone else wants to go ahead and delete all the images I uploaded that's fine.  I botted myself so there are a lot more then are normally shown.  --[[User:Amoyer| Cedarwings]] <sup>([[User talk:Amoyer|talk]])</sup> 20:32, 19 February 2009 (UTC)
:::Just thought I'd stop you before you got too far. =) I'll delete them for you. --[[User:Belthazar451|Belthazar451]] 20:51, 19 February 2009 (UTC)
::::Thanks.  --[[User:Amoyer| Cedarwings]] <sup>([[User talk:Amoyer|talk]])</sup> 21:10, 19 February 2009 (UTC)
:::::All gone now.  Found some time before I had to run off to work.  --[[User:Amoyer| Cedarwings]] <sup>([[User talk:Amoyer|talk]])</sup> 21:22, 19 February 2009 (UTC)
::::::Aye, I noticed. =) --[[User:Belthazar451|Belthazar451]] 21:22, 19 February 2009 (UTC)
== Deleted Image ==
14:48, February 23, 2009 Amoyer (Talk | contribs) deleted "Image:Egg-rendered-2009-Greylady-7.png" ‎ Was this my bad? or was it an intentional deletion? --[[User:Addison|Addihockey]] <sup>([[User talk:Addison|talk]]/[[Special:Contributions/Addison|contribs]])</sup> 23:17, 23 February 2009 (UTC)
: I think it was a "your bad" :D I will reupload it. --[[User:Fizz|Fizz]] 23:49, 23 February 2009 (UTC)
:: Whoopsiedaisies... --[[User:Addison|Addihockey]] <sup>([[User talk:Addison|talk]]/[[Special:Contributions/Addison|contribs]])</sup> 00:02, 24 February 2009 (UTC)
:::Oops.  I thought I checked them all before I deleted them.  Sorry.  --[[User:Amoyer| Cedarwings]] <sup>([[User talk:Amoyer|talk]])</sup> 00:37, 24 February 2009 (UTC)
== Page moving ==
Hey CW, since you're not having any problems with the server (apparently), could I get you to move [[Clothe the Beast]] to [[Clothe The Beast]] and [[Leopardi Costumes]] to [[Cursed Threads]]? The first is to match in-game capitalisation, and the second is a shoppe rename. Thanks in advance. --[[User:Belthazar451|Belthazar451]] 11:56, 11 March 2009 (UTC)
:Worked for me, so I did the renames. It's a bit annoying that the problems have such a sporadic nature. --[[User:Alfwyn|Alfwyn]] 12:55, 11 March 2009 (UTC)
::Aye, I'll say it's annoying. Especially since I managed to edit this talk page with no problem, when others cause me problems... unless that got fixed. I don't know, I haven't tried any others lately. Thanks for doing that moving, though. --[[User:Belthazar451|Belthazar451]] 13:20, 11 March 2009 (UTC)
== Help! ==
Hi, I just tried this my self but it didnt seem to work, For my event page, [[Name My Pets And Win Doubloons I]] I need a subpage for the winners, I can do that but the next bit is harder. I tried to the the Gallery thing... What I was trying to do was a inventry sort image of a white dog and white cat in there (inside the gallery). Could you do it for me or suggest what I need to do please --[[User:Lcawte|Lcawte]] 19:23, 3 June 2009 (UTC)
== Sandbox trophy page ==
Hey CW - what's this for, and is it still needed? =) --[[User:Belthazar451|Belthazar451]] 01:12, 16 June 2009 (UTC)
:It was for when I modified that template to tag which trophy page it had come from.  It's gone now.  --[[User:Amoyer| Cedarwings]] <sup>([[User talk:Amoyer|talk]])</sup> 16:49, 17 June 2009 (UTC)
== Spanish wiki ==
Just a little note: "Portada" (as in http://yppedia.puzzlepirates.com/es/Portada) means basically "main page", not "yppedia" =) --[[User:Belthazar451|Belthazar451]] 00:19, 11 July 2009 (UTC)
:<nowiki>:P I knew that... honest... okay... maybe not.  My Spanish is limited to being able to order up to four beers.  Do I really need to know more then that?  And yes, I know how to use Babelfish :P</nowiki> --[[User:Amoyer| Cedarwings]] <sup>([[User talk:Amoyer|talk]])</sup> 00:22, 11 July 2009 (UTC)
== Failed RfA ==
Thanks for nuking.. I checked the policy above but couldn't see anything specific about it. So frustrating having been away so long, I've just forgotten everything :/ --[[User:Lizzie|Lizzie]] 15:21, 11 August 2009 (UTC)
Editing a user page: Yup Yup didn't notice the page was created on a user page. Sorry and thanks for understanding! --[[User:Luther8|Luther8]] 21:13, 14 October 2009 (UTC)
== Editing ==
Would you kindly inform me; why would removing nonsense and incorrect information from my own pirate's page vandalism? As you probably see, you reverted the edits and made it look like a story from a Monkey Island game, which another admin considered vandalism. Maybe you people should pay some attention before randomly reverting edits to previous ones that don't make any sense.
--[[User:Mhje|Mhje]] 15:08, 14 November 2009 (UTC)
:The problem is, [[Mikael|it]] has invalid information that I want to remove. While you won't let me do that, I'm not willing to enter any new valid information either. This leads to the current situation, where the page is filled with incorrect information, and I'm the only one who knows the 100% correct information. While you don't allow me to remove the incorrect information, it will stay there as it is, and it'll be completely useless for the yppedia community. Yes, I'm aware you could ban me from editing for a period of time, but surely you're also aware that ip addresses can be changed and alterned, as simply as connecting to the server through a proxy. A rather simple solution for me would be to program a bot that edits the page always when it's alterned, and hwen banned it would change the proxy, create a new account and do the same thing again.. However I'm not willing to do that, because I support the idea of encyclopedias, but I also support the idea of privacy, and the right for people to remove content about theirselves from the internet. I'd understand keeping the page there for some time as the pirate still exists, but what I don't understand is that I'm not allowed to remove content that isn't related to my pirate's information. The article seems to tell about me as a gamer, not the pirate itself. I'd hope that we could work something out, instead of just clicking the revert edits button every now and then. I noticed that an admin has first considered a change vandalism, then another one reverting back to the so called "vandalised" version and telling me I'm not allowed to edit it, which makes the page even less meaningful for yppedia. I have no big part in the history of puzzle pirates, as my crew and flag were never active, and I'm in them no longer. I never held any events, and the activity I did in game was idleing in sea monster hunts and that way gaining i.e. treasure hauling ranks. Contact me if you want to discuss this further, cheers --[[User:Mhje|Mhje]] 18:04, 14 November 2009 (UTC)
== User pages ==
Sorry for my mistake then and thank you for notifying me. So what does fall under that category?
Only pages of the type "User:" or also pages like http://yppedia.puzzlepirates.com/Nidhoeggr ? Thank you in advance
--[[User:Nidhoeggr|Nidhoeggr]] 01:44, 20 November 2009 (UTC)
== Hull paint ==
While you're adding the hull paint numbers, please update the total number of paint units required for each ship.  Thanks!  --[[User:Barrister|Barrister]] 23:36, 8 December 2009 (UTC)
:Saw that and was going back to update them.  --[[User:Amoyer| Cedarwings]] <sup>([[User talk:Amoyer|talk]])</sup> 23:37, 8 December 2009 (UTC)
::Excellent!  Also, if there are any ships you don't have access to, I've got one of each type (except a xebec), including the frost class sloop.  --[[User:Barrister|Barrister]] 23:40, 8 December 2009 (UTC)
:::Apparently I don't have a grand frig anymore and my frost class sloop isn't ready yet.  --[[User:Amoyer| Cedarwings]] <sup>([[User talk:Amoyer|talk]])</sup> 23:44, 8 December 2009 (UTC)
::::Frost class == 65 units.  Grand frigate == 280 units. --[[User:Barrister|Barrister]] 23:54, 8 December 2009 (UTC)

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