User talk:AtteSmythe/Archive 1

Command redirect booches
It seems the commands are auto-redirecting to a page without the / at times again. I chucked the article created by the booch (I've managed to do similar booches myself). If you have the issue, you could always try one of the servers directly (web1, web2, web3) to see if it'll work for you that way. That's what I did. Should probably email Calrissan (whose email I don't have offhand) about this. --Thunderbird 01:01, 17 October 2005 (PDT)
 * Ok, that's good to know. I don't think the article was created by the booch, though, since the text was different. I've always thought that the leading / should cause problems. Should the non-/ pages redirect anyway? --AtteSmythe 10:20, 17 October 2005 (PDT)

gems
Perhaps the titles should simply be amethyst rather than amethyst gem? --Barrister 12:21, 19 October 2005 (PDT)
 * Since some of the gem names are actually used in other oceans, I thought to leave the 'gem' in the title to leave room for a disambiguagion page someday (e.g. Diamond). In fact, I'm working on the Jade gems article right now. --AtteSmythe 12:23, 19 October 2005 (PDT)
 * Not sure I agree. The article name would then be diamond (gem) as necessary with diamond being a disambig page.  This is similar to Cleaver (pirate) and Skull (mug).  One more thing.  The correct spelling is "jasper".  :-)  --Barrister 12:24, 19 October 2005 (PDT)
 * Whoop, that's what I get for reading the forum. ;) I was following the naming scheme used for Lime dye - do we need Lime (fruit) and Lime (dye)? In any case, I don't really care what the article is named - that's for you administrative types. I'm just doing research. :P --AtteSmythe 12:27, 19 October 2005 (PDT)
 * On reflection, I think I do prefer the (gem) notation. Changing now. Limes appears to be pluralized in the commodity name itself, and therefore warrants a plural page title. Not sure what to do there. Would Lime (dye) be more consistent? --AtteSmythe 12:30, 19 October 2005 (PDT)
 * The non-parenthetical portion of the name should be the way you'd refer to the item in real-life. "I picked a lime."  "I made some lime dye."  "I own a diamond."  "I visited the Diamond Archipelago."  "I have a cleaver in my kitchen."  "I met Cleaver at the party."  As you point out, we do get into a funny situation with "limes" and other plural commodities.  My gut tells me to make them all singular with redirects for searching.  But I'm not fully convinced yet.  --Barrister 12:42, 19 October 2005 (PDT)
 * Ok, one more judgment call, then: 'Jade' currently redirects to Jade Archipelago, which is a disambiguation page for the Cobalt and Viridian oceans. Jade (gem) would create a disambig page at Jade, orphaning the Jade Archipelago disambig page. I seem to recall arguments in the past where it was determined that we shouldn't create disambig pages for things that people are highly unlikely to search for, which would certainly be the case for an obsolete event gem. No disambig? --AtteSmythe 12:46, 19 October 2005 (PDT)

I recommend the model that I used for ruby. Both ruby and Ruby Archipelago are disambig pages. Note, however, that neither disambig page points to the other. On a related issue, jasper (gem) seems like it should simply be jasper gems because there's nothing ambiguous about it. If there comes a day when it is ambiguous, we'll create the disambig page. --Barrister 12:50, 19 October 2005 (PDT)
 * Is it not ambiguous, itself, to have half the gems titled with (gem) and half without? I suppose not. I'm too much of a filer/categorizer to be naming these things. If you feel like deleting another Jasper page, go for it. --AtteSmythe 12:52, 19 October 2005 (PDT)
 * I suppose that it is somewhat odd to use the parentheses in some places, but not others. Unfortunately, what we'd wind up with is a series of pages like "Crystalclaws (Midnight pirate)" or "Barrister (Midnight Cobalt Viridian Sage pirate)" even when there's not ambiguity. --Barrister 13:34, 19 October 2005 (PDT)
 * Well, regardless of any idealism (which is useful to discuss, I suppose, because it could've avoided the whole Blah Blah Island (Midnight) fiasco), I'm pretty pleased with how this particular system worked out. Still not sure about Limes vs. Lime, though. --AtteSmythe 14:43, 19 October 2005 (PDT)
 * Well I figure that we should go by the name of the thing in game. Limes for the fruit and Lime dye for the dye.  Some of the gems also have "gems" in their in game name. --Guppymomma 14:50, 19 October 2005 (PDT)
 * Yeah, looking over the commod lists, that is true. "Jet gems" vs. "Emeralds" But then Amethyst should be moved to Amethysts, Jade should be undisambiguated, and Jade gems makes its return? &mdash; too confusing for my end-of-the-workday brain. --AtteSmythe 15:19, 19 October 2005 (PDT)
 * Or at least use the singular of the in game name with a redirect from the plural version. I'm just going to let Barrister comment on this as I bet his west coast brain is working better than our easterly ones. :) Oh, as an additional note, the only ones that I'm sure of with the "gems" in their names are the normal Midnight ones.  The special event ones I'm kinda guessing at. --Guppymomma 15:51, 19 October 2005 (PDT)
 * Confirmed in game that amethysts are "Amethyst gems," not "Amethysts," as the Midnight naming would suggest. --AtteSmythe 16:10, 19 October 2005 (PDT)

Spawns
Since all islands have (ocean), you probably don't really need to separate the categories by ocean. That way folks can also compare how many islands/size of islands that spawn x y z. --Guppymomma 09:55, 11 November 2005 (PST)
 * Hm, a thought. Does having Eta (Midnight), Eta (Indigo), Eta (Azure) on the wood page, for example, decrease its utility? Each island will be double listed for the other oceans (sans sage), and triple-listed for Midnight. --AtteSmythe 09:58, 11 November 2005 (PST)
 * I don't think it's that big of a deal. It's still useful enough.  The only other question I can think of is whether or not to sort by ocean :) I like the idea though of spawn cats. --Guppymomma 10:01, 11 November 2005 (PST)
 * Oh, good. I was a bit concerned jumping into it, since the islands are already listed on the commodity pages. Those links are all to the redirection pages, though, so I felt that at least categories would automatically update if we need to reorganize again. Housing had categories (which is what I'm basing this on), but then again housing is more likely to update than commodity spawns. Might take me a while, but I'll get these all done. --AtteSmythe 10:03, 11 November 2005 (PST)