User talk:Franklincain/archive

Avatar
is there a way I can add in a link to my forum avatar? (since this page is about my User Account, and not my Pirate)
 * Yep yep! You can link to your forum profile (which has your avatar at the top) using NAME_HERE Text_you_want_displayed You could also upload your avatar as an image to Yppedia, and then display it on your page - If you save your avatar to your computer, you can upload it to Yppedia using the link that is down the bottom of the list of links on the left. Please follow the file naming format for avatars (Avatar-Artist's forum name-File_name.file format - For example, an avatar in .png format by Ezmerelda_M, and called "Adrielle.png" would be named Avatar-Ezmerelda_M-Adrielle.png). Once your file is uploaded, you can add it to your page using [[Image:Your image name]] =D -- Adrielle ♥ =) 06:52, 16 June 2010 (UTC)
 * You are also allowed to display avatars made for your pirate on your pirate page =D -- Adrielle ♥ =) 06:55, 16 June 2010 (UTC)

Bwahahahahahahahahahaaaaaa! It worked! >:D

Thank'ee! ;-)

Preserving historical information in articles
I have started a discussion at YPPedia talk:Policies and guidelines where I suggest that we should preserve historical ocean information in articles. I noticed that you are updating some articles with post-ocean merge information, so this discussion might be of some interest to you. Thanks. Chupchup 16:44, 15 May 2012 (PDT)

Archipelago pages
Hey there! As you go through removing stubs from those pages, do you mind also checking that the formatting is standard? The Cerulean/Emerald/Meridian pages should all be standardized because I made an effort to format them the same while creating them, but the "old" pages are kind of all over the place. Thanks! P.S. Don't worry about leaving a note on the talk page for the arch pages when removing the stub. I'd always intended on doing that anyway, it's just SO far down my list of "things to do". --Fannon 08:49, 25 May 2012 (PDT)

Ooops
I updated the browse page and responded on some talk pages. Totally forgot that I'm currently botted for image renaming so nobody can actually see my edits without showing bots! Just wanted to let you know I did them. --Fannon 11:54, 28 May 2012 (PDT)

Ocean merge
So, yeah, it was only four-and-a-bit months ago. Not quite "over a year". =P Still about time the testing tags got removed anyway, though. =) --Belthazar451 03:16, 7 June 2012 (PDT)


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Adjective templates
Is there some reason you created templates for LE class ship adjectives? To me, it seems to obfuscate and complicate things unnecessarily. People trying to edit these lists will have to jump to another file entirely rather than just editing the article outright. These phrases are not used anywhere else that a template would save typing or reduce duplication. I just don't see the need here. Chupchup 05:14, 12 June 2012 (PDT)
 * Oh, I think I see. Various ship sizes in the same class use the same adjectives, so you are including it on all ships. Well, I guess that's a good reason. Chupchup 05:18, 12 June 2012 (PDT)
 * aye, various different main-types use the same set of adjectives for same sub-type ;-)
 * --Franklincain 06:45, 12 June 2012 (PDT)

TOC right
Is there something in the style guide, or a consensus reached somewhere, about TOC right and NOTOC? What criteria are you using to apply these? I don't know if it's useful to have the TOC bouncing around unpredictably or disappearing... Chupchup 17:13, 19 June 2012 (PDT)


 * Answered here. -- Franklincain (t/c) 21:51, 12 July 2012 (PDT)

Sentence case for headings
Please note that headings should all now be in sentence case, as changed here. Look out for this when editing articles, and also when linking to them like so, change the heading before linking to it, otherwise we will break the link when we gnomes come around and fix all the headings in an article. Chupchup 18:06, 30 June 2012 (PDT)


 * Y'know, I was thinking those headers didn't look quite right, in the "Skellie" article, when I copied over that section into the "Zombie" article...Good catch! (And sorry for the mess...)  -- Franklincain (t/c) 18:32, 30 June 2012 (PDT)

Talk pages
Hey there. I appreciate enthusiasm and love having some active editors. However, please try to avoid editing talk pages just to adjust the table of contents or to change headings. Talk pages are not pages typically browsed or viewed, and it makes it harder for us to track those that have legitimate notes/discussion on them. --Fannon 19:07, 30 June 2012 (PDT)

Wiki Links
Just as an aside, underscores are NOT needed for wiki links. --Fannon 12:04, 7 July 2012 (PDT)


 * Yup, you're right. ;-)     OTOH, using underscores in the link makes it easier to distinguish, for people like me with really thick lenses in their eyeglasses.  :-D     Thanks!  -- Franklincain (t/c) 13:03, 8 July 2012 (PDT)

Psst... if you put a colon before the Category link, it'll prevent it from adding the page to the category while letting you use the link. Category:Fannonisawesome :)

Also works for Images to let you link to a file without giving the image itself. --Fannon 19:15, 11 July 2012 (PDT)

Fray
It seems to me that in the game, a fray is more associated with skellies and zombies than a brawl. Just something to think about. Chupchup 13:56, 9 July 2012 (PDT)


 * Actually, there are two general classes of frays. The first is, as you mentioned, the island-based group of supernatural beasties awaiting challenge from player pirates.  The second class would be the boarders encountered during sea monster hunts.  Both use the basic brawl mechanics, however.  I would not be adverse to replacing my redirect with a more detailed article, for what it's worth.  (In fact, I was thinking of maybe doing so myself, as time permits.)  I just wanted to make certain we had -something- in the wiki for the word "fray" first.  Thanks!  -- Franklincain (t/c) 15:17, 9 July 2012 (PDT)

Pet Page
I have protected the Pet page in order to facilitate a discussion regarding the current reorganization. The wiki is a community-driven resource, and edit-wars and constant reversions are not considered productive. Please leave any questions or concerns you may have on Talk:Pet in order to ensure that community consensus may be reached. Once we have reached consensus as to the layout of the page, I will implement it, and then un-protect the page. --Fannon 07:06, 13 July 2012 (PDT)


 * Thank you!!! :-)
 * -- Franklincain (t/c) 08:04, 13 July 2012 (PDT)

Pirate redirects
Just as an FYI, we don't normally create redirects from alt pirate names. The few exceptions are when someone created an actual page for that pirate and we merged them together. Rather than delete the page outright, we just set it as a redirect. The other reason is that unless/until a pirate actually claims the alt, we presume that they are two different pirates. --Fannon 10:58, 19 July 2012 (PDT)


 * That's fair. FWIW, I checked with Zola earlier this week, to confirm that he's sticking with that pirate, instead of either of his previous incarnations.  -- Franklincain (t/c) 11:34, 19 July 2012 (PDT)

Newlines in text
I am curious why you are reformatting text to contain lots of newlines, such as this edit. While it is true that the MediaWiki software converts such newlines into single spaces and presents the text as one paragraph, and it can be helpful for clarity if a lot of text is involved, there isn't a lot of text here, and it can potentially confuse new editors, and lead to errors where leading whitespace is introduced and the software presents it as preformatted text. Chupchup 20:49, 22 July 2012 (PDT)


 * I'm going to second this, just of genuine curiosity, because you're doing it (and adding line breaks) on so many pages. --Fannon 09:24, 25 July 2012 (PDT)


 * It helps me find stuff. Case in point -- missing word "the" in front of scene-names (for ships).  As long as these extra line breaks in the code do not translate into unintended paragraph breaks in the rendered text, there should be no harm in doing this...And I have no objections to the next editor removing those surplus line breaks, after I've already used them to help me see stuff.  -- Franklincain (t/c) 09:27, 25 July 2012 (PDT)

From this point forward, please do not edit any page for the sole purpose of adding any line breaks, unless those line breaks are causing some issue with the page. The edits being made to add line breaks that do not actually change the way the page is viewed are not needed. They are only serving to clog up the recent changes and make it that much more difficult for admins to insure that quality edits are being made to pages. Thank you. --Fannon 17:08, 23 August 2012 (PDT)

Templates
I'm just curious as to why all the templates. I can't see the templates you're creating for pet sounds having any real value or purpose. --Fannon 14:39, 24 July 2012 (PDT)


 * Re-using common code. Most pets share the same list of sound effects within their respective parent type.  That is, all small dogs (except for the ghost puppy) have the same list of barks, for example.  These templates are being used in both sandboxes of mine (2,3) that I've been using for the "Pet" page re-org.  -- Franklincain (t/c) 15:26, 24 July 2012 (PDT)

Portrait vessels across...
Message topic moved elsewhere... -- Franklincain (t/c) 15:50, 25 July 2012 (PDT)

Carpentry vs. Carpentry/Patching
Well caught! I'm going to go add the updated puzzle station information to the ship I was lazily copying code from, as well as any others I manage to catch... --Ladodal 16:42, 1 August 2012 (PDT)


 * And another good catch on the sword rack for the new sloop. I'd noticed (and been shocked by) the fact that the trinket case was functional, but somehow I entirely failed to notice that the sword rack was an actual sword rack, as well. --Ladodal 16:17, 2 August 2012 (PDT)

Renamed Ships and templates
We've had this discussion before, and I thought maybe you had understood, but I'll say it again: We should NOT be moving to templates information that consists of text only and no coding, unless that information is going to be used on multiple pages. All you are doing in changing to the use of templates is requiring editors to take an additional step to update/edit the information. The use of templates here serves no functional or aesthetic purpose. --Fannon 13:30, 7 August 2012 (PDT)


 * I was writing an explanation (in the appropriate Talk page) for why this was needed, while you were posting this message.  -- Franklincain (t/c) 13:35, 7 August 2012 (PDT)

Non-English ocean island articles
Before you get too far into that and have to backtrack, we don't document the non-English islands to the same amount of detail as the English ones, mostly because there are Spanish and German wikis that are focussed on those oceans. Check out (for example) Accompong-Insel (Opal) to see how we've been doing it. --Belthazar451 14:34, 23 August 2012 (PDT)

Building Pages
While I'm glad you're making an effort to help out the wiki by creating wanted pages, creating building pages with no information filled in is not acceptable. Please only create these pages if you're going to do them correctly, which includes checking the information in-game. Had you done this, you would have discovered that one of the pages already existed under the correct name. --Fannon 11:23, 27 August 2012 (PDT)


 * Acquiring all details about a building requires access to that building's island. This, in turn, requires having that island on a pirate's Known World map, along with (maybe) a whisking potion.  Having a partially-complete stub of an article is only a partial fix, true, but it's better than a completely absent article.  This way, someone else, who DOES have a pirate on that respective ocean with access to that respective island, can add more info as they acquire it.  -- Franklincain (t/c) 13:54, 27 August 2012 (PDT)


 * Having a partially-completed stub means it no longer shows as a redlink on the island article, which means it doesn't look like it still needs doing, at first glance. Because of this, if you know nothing more than the building's name, it's far better to just leave it. Not having an article is always better than having an article with nothing on it.


 * Frankly, it's not difficult to have visited every inhabited island on an ocean - I have at least one pirate on each ocean in such a position. If nothing else, you just need to get your puzzle standing high enough that you can do the Navigate with the Navy missions, because the navy sloops always have lots of maps on board. If you can't be bothered doing that, just find a navy ship running the interarch route - use the wiki's maps to see where that's possible. Once you've reached one inhabited island in an arch, you can visit the rest with the ferries. --Belthazar451 14:06, 27 August 2012 (PDT)


 * Honestly, in my opinion, it is more beneficial to have the redlink so that the article shows up here rather than an incomplete infobox and stub designation. At least then, if someone ever starts combing through the wanted pages list, that page would show up for them. As much as possible, the YPPedia strives for accuracy and comprehensiveness. In an ideal world, we never ever want stubs to be created as new pages. If there's not enough information about a pirate, building, flag, crew, or other item that the new page has to be categorized as a stub, then there are probably more valuable pages to be created with that time. 14:16, 27 August 2012 (PDT)


 * I yield. ;-)     Thank you for offering your reasons behind your opinions; this helps me to better understand your respective stances.  -- Franklincain (t/c) 14:21, 27 August 2012 (PDT)

Monsoon Island
I've reverted your edits to the Monsoon Island (Cerulean) page for a number of reasons. First, despite the fact that the extinct route is no longer memmable, it is still visible on the charts of those who memmed them while they could and can still be charted and sailed. As such, it should be documented because, technically speaking, it still exits. The same goes for any other extinct routes on Cerulean, they should remained documented.

Secondly, please don't remove any pre-merger histories. The island itself has not changed, merely the server on which it resides so the history remains intact and is still applicable. That would be like taking a crew that has existed since the day Sage was founded and removing it's history since January of this year.

You had a good start asking the question on the talk pages as to whether the routes were still available but didn't wait long enough for a qualified answer before making the change. Patience is a virtue. 13:29, 28 August 2012 (PDT)


 * Actually, I made the change(s) first, and then asked on the talk page if I should continue (or revert). ;-)   But thank you, nonetheless.  I appreciate the information and feedback.  -- Franklincain (t/c) 13:39, 28 August 2012 (PDT)


 * Addendum -- In case it wasn't clear, I very much appreciate the detailed explanations. It makes perfect sense (in retrospect) to maintain pre-merge history on the post-merge version of the articles, for the reasons you stated.  -- Franklincain (t/c) 14:52, 2 September 2012 (PDT)

Image tags
Like all other projects that require editing a substantial number of pages, please leave switching the image tags on the portrait items to an admin who can make use of the bot feature. And again, please check with an admin before beginning any project so that we can determine whether it is best done with a bot, if it needs doing at all. Thanks. --Fannon 15:54, 1 September 2012 (PDT)


 * (RE: "check with an admin before beginning any project...") You mean, like this one?  -- Franklincain (t/c) 11:49, 2 September 2012 (PDT)

Franklin's own archive page in his user-space
If you are going to undo my fixes, can you please upload the correct file then so it stops creating a wanted file in Special:WantedFiles.

Avastme Talk 04:47, 5 December 2012 (PST)


 * 1) it's an archive.


 * 2) it's in my user-space (check Faulkston's message to you from just last month).


 * -- Franklincain (t/c) 19:57, 5 December 2012 (PST)