Talk:House

Caps!
Okay, I have to admit it: the capitalization of the housing types is killing me. I want to make them all lowercase (with redirects from things like Row House to Row house). "I own a Townhouse," just looks silly. I propose to change nearly all references to their lowercased versions. Thoughts? Objections? --Barrister 18:47, 26 October 2005 (PDT)
 * No objection here. I'm just going to sit here watching you twitch :) --Guppymomma 19:12, 26 October 2005 (PDT)
 * Works for me.  19:17, 26 October 2005 (PDT)

Shack
Whoops, it appears shacks are always free even when it's not your home island. And I suppose by 'first one only' they meant only when you don't have any yet. I've changed it back. Remind me not to trust the documentation: "Every pirate can obtain a simple room for free on their home island (check the missions board for instructions), but fancier rooms and rooms on other islands will cost ye a pretty penny." Paladin
 * The very first one is free. If you return that one, you'll need to pay to get another. --Guppymomma 09:01, 6 August 2005 (PDT)
 * Paladin tested this, and it's been changed. You can now return your first shack and get another free one.  Unfortunately, Ice only has one location for shacks, so it's impossible to say what happens if you switch home islands and try to get another free shack.  --Barrister 13:39, 6 August 2005 (PDT)
 * Nono, I'm pretty sure that if you want a shack, no matter where, you get it for free, if you don't already have one. If you do already have one, it costs.
 * I rarely go the the island I spawned on a couple of years ago, so I returned my shack and got a new one for free on an island that I spend much time on. This was recently, in 2008.Siriuskase 18:37, 5 February 2008 (PST)

I either fixed this or booched it royally. I feel it's true and a summary of what y'all are saying above. Billynoleg 23:28, 20 November 2008 (UTC)

Images
These images might look best as thumbnails, especially given their large file size. You can do this by typing     12:44, 4 August 2005 (PDT)
 * I got the cottage. Does look much better. For the individual room pics, perhaps the caption should say what other rooms it links to. I definitely like talking about the subject, not talking about the picture --AtteSmythe 12:50, 4 August 2005 (PDT)


 * Very nice job on the thumbnails, tables, etc. mates. It looks really nice. I'll get a new, accurate, picture for the shack, and work on drumming some up for the house. --Cedricshock 14:26, 4 August 2005 (PDT)

I messed up the shack image mightly. The old image still displays most of the time. I tried a revert to go back to the first time I uploaded (since I uploaded it twice by mistake) and was going to delete the extra one, but the revert used the filesize for the oldest one. I don't know who has he permission or ability to clean up the mess I made. The newer image is the one with no portrait and "Icyhot" in the room. --Cedricshock 15:41, 4 August 2005 (PDT)
 * Not a big deal, really - it'll get fixed eventually. Check your user talk page. --AtteSmythe 15:43, 4 August 2005 (PDT)

roommates
I predict the roommates will be: 1, 1, 2, 2, 3, 3, 4, 4, 5, 5. Shoppes have a maximum of 5 managers, so there'd be little to no recoding. --Barrister 13:09, 4 August 2005 (PDT)

table
Anyone want to make up a table with the following headings: name of house, # rooms, max roommates, and cost? Or point me to a good tutorial on the grammar for tables? --Barrister 13:21, 4 August 2005 (PDT)

Everything I learned about tables, I learned from wikimedia.org, though it's not really a tutorial, I suppose. --AtteSmythe 13:33, 4 August 2005 (PDT)
 * Many thanks! --Barrister 14:09, 4 August 2005 (PDT)
 * {| class="toccolours" cellpadding="3" style="float:right; margin: 0 0 1em 1em; width: 20em;"

!style="background:#B0C4DE;" colspan="2"| !Type !Rooms !Roommates !Cost


 * }
 * Not to discourage Atte's work, but I think an infobox serves this purpose more effectively. Something like this, which incorporates the    command.   15:15, 4 August 2005 (PDT)
 * No, I definitely agree, especially now that they're on their own pages. I just do what I'm told. :P --AtteSmythe 15:26, 4 August 2005 (PDT)


 * Well, I think it's good to have a table on this main page so people can quickly compare the choices. An infobox for each housing page is reasonable, too.  --Barrister 17:35, 4 August 2005 (PDT)


 * I agree that for many things a reference table which consolidates info for comparisons/fast access is very nice, e.g. the sea battle damage chart. 23:48, 14 August 2005 (PDT)

The table and infoboxes now shown are good. Consider adding floors and outside rooms? Objections? Billynoleg 02:54, 22 November 2008 (UTC)

Additional pages
With the addition of images, I'm planning to break this page up into a collection of boarding house pages, one for each type. --Barrister 14:11, 4 August 2005 (PDT)
 * Probably a very good idea. That TOC is a page long all by its lonesome. --AtteSmythe 14:12, 4 August 2005 (PDT)
 * OTOH, do we really need anything more than a gallery for the different types? I doubt there will be enough information about each room to warrant its own section. --AtteSmythe 14:34, 4 August 2005 (PDT)
 * It depends on how many (if any) props each room has. For ships and buildings, the sections will be a bit longer.  I'd like the format to be consistent.  --Barrister 14:48, 4 August 2005 (PDT)

Parties
It seems that any owner/manager/roommate can throw a party in any building. So, where should we move this section? --Barrister 00:08, 11 August 2005 (PDT)


 * Probably its own page like some of the buttons in the little panels have. Doesn't options have one?  Model it like that and do a House Panel or whatever. --Guppymomma 07:09, 11 August 2005 (PDT)

Name change
My client is showing boarding houses as "Houses" now. Sneaky change from the 2005-08-12 release? 07:20, 13 August 2005 (PDT)
 * Heh how evil. I'll go peek too. --Guppymomma 09:39, 13 August 2005 (PDT)
 * Yep. Nasty hobbitses have changed it! Prepare the moving machine.... --Guppymomma 10:05, 13 August 2005 (PDT)

Prediction Pool
Number of rooms in a Manor? I predict 9. Number of rooms in a mansion? I predict 12. Anyone else wanna stab? --Markozeta 23:39, 14 August 2005 (PDT)

Lists and more lists!
I'm starting to think that we should do individual pages for housing to get them in categories that automatically populate. It's getting a bit out of hand the number of lists that have to be updated by hand: on island pages, on the housing type pages, and now on the housing (ocean) pages. And then also add in all the under construction marks on each of those. It just seems like a little creative categorying would save some work for various folks. --Guppymomma 15:23, 15 August 2005 (PDT)


 * Oh, sorry about the new (Ocean) pages, but I was getting tired of having to check 9 pages to see if there were any housing options beyond shacks on Cobalt. (No, theres not, beyond the Villas under construction on Olive.
 * Perhaps this is something for Community Portal or something, but I suppose if some ringer had some free time (yeah, right) they could write some spiffy plugin that could get a list of building type x on island y on ocean z, or a list of islands with building type x on ocean z, or other listy things that could be pulled from the game database (read-only, of course.) Needs knowlege of the database schema and, more importantly, passwords, so don't think we are going to get it done by a user.--Mercano 15:34, 15 August 2005 (PDT)


 * No no, this isn't something to be sorry about. I think a listing where you could see what all is available across the ocean is useful.  I was just trying to think of a way to do it in a less upkeep kind of way :). --Guppymomma 15:54, 15 August 2005 (PDT)


 * I have an idea for how to do this with categories. I'll play around with it.  --Barrister 16:30, 15 August 2005 (PDT)

Okay, first stab at this. Take a look at Xi Island. It has estates, villas, shacks, row houses, and cottages. So, we'd tag it with the following categories:

Each of those categories would belong to. Thoughts? It'd mean only having to add the appropriate category to an island page, and you'd do that at the time you add the new building. Heck, we could make a template to automate it. --Barrister 17:19, 15 August 2005 (PDT)
 * I like it :) --Guppymomma 18:28, 15 August 2005 (PDT)

Okay, everything should auto-generate now. I've updated the links on House and all the housing types. Just make sure to use Template:House when adding new houses to islands. --Barrister 01:45, 16 August 2005 (PDT)

Ordering of Room Names
Here's an issue I don't think we've discussed yet, but there's a different standard used on Villa and Walk-Up. How should we order the room names? My gut feeling was to alphabetize, since there isn't a set way to walk through a house, especially a larger one like the Villa. But the Walk-Up seems to be ordered by the general rooms downstairs, then upstairs. Thoughts? 21:16, 15 August 2005 (PDT)
 * Ordered by cost, I'd think. Seems the most objective way to do it.  --Barrister 22:42, 15 August 2005 (PDT)
 * Meh, maybe I wasn't totally clear. I'm curious what the standard for the ordering of the individual room names on each page (Basement, entry, etc.).  I've been doing them alphabetically, but I wanted to make sure we weren't ordering them by any other random way.   22:54, 15 August 2005 (PDT)
 * Whoops. I totally misunderstood.  I don't have a strong preference.  I'd been doing them by floor, but that's not terribly important to me. --Barrister 01:10, 16 August 2005 (PDT)

Images Wish List
Moved to YPPedia:Wishlist.

Editor XML's
Would there be any worth in collecting the XML files for the different rooms? I'd be up for this if anybody agrees.--Scuz3d 19:53, 18 October 2005 (PDT)
 * Does the editor have all the tiles that the rooms use? --Guppymomma 18:47, 18 October 2005 (PDT)
 * It can be manually fixed, or you can use Cedricshock's auto-patch for it. I've done the xmls for the house types on Kirin (Cobalt), and most of our room names don't match up.  I've also collected all the island XMLs for Cobalt.   18:49, 18 October 2005 (PDT)
 * Nifty. XML's could be good.  Is it easy to copy & paste them to a text file or whatever from a wiki page? --Guppymomma 19:33, 18 October 2005 (PDT)
 * Ok sounds good. I'm going to make up a template for displaying the xml files in wiki a bit later. Currently the tag scretches it out to insane lengths <_< Only way you'd beable to do it is to copy and paste as is blocked by the wiki. Will make up a little box(My Wiki-Jargon is no good) at the bottum with instructions on how to use for thoose less electronicly inclined. --Scuz3d 19:53, 18 October 2005 (PDT)
 * Perhaps an amendment to the Island template or House room template would work also, provided we could get a comfortable third-party host for the files with a standardized organization. For instanace, the Cobalt files could be http://www.snpages.com/ypp/Cobalt/ -Outside.xml  19:58, 18 October 2005 (PDT)
 * After much editing(As you can tell from the recent edits >_>), tweaking, and bugging people who know CSS better then me I've come up with a template I think should look good with it. Anyways little bit more tweaking with wikiness and then it should be on to posting the XMLs.--Scuz3d 21:54, 18 October 2005 (PDT)
 * Nifty. The XML's should have a category.  I dunno if you want to do sub-categories as well.  Category:XMLs:Islands Houses etc. --Guppymomma 08:00, 19 October 2005 (PDT)

Mapping the house rooms
Can someone put together a map of the houses showing (A) How the rooms all fit together, and (B) The places where the rooms don't quite fit right?
 * Most of them won't fit together in a blueprint manner if that's what you're asking. All the uploaded images are full-sized, so if you wanted to count squares that way, you could.  --Guppymomma 20:19, 4 December 2005 (PST)
 * How about just showing which arrows take you to which scene and where? Right now, for example, if I'm looking at a list of 11 rooms and images, I can't even get an approximation as to the actual full layout of the place. --Behindcurtai 13:11, 15 February 2006 (PST)
 * If there are people willing to collect the data, then it would be a good addition. You can add some lines after the template to indicate which arrow (I guess you can use north/south/east/west type things to indicate which arrow is which) leads where.  Or you can just add notes to the talk pages of the different types and a more rabid wiki person will come and help add the info to the page. --Guppymomma 13:24, 15 February 2006 (PST)
 * Is something like my map for the right-facing cottage what you're looking for? It also has the usability data for the right-facing cottage, so that's out of the way as well.--Zyborg22 17:59, 24 March 2006 (PST)

Area to the table
I like the table with the number of rooms, cost etc. Would someone care to add the area (number of squares to place furniture) for each type of house? That would be great so that if I know I want, say, a wordrobe, a table and a so on, which size house do I need? However does this might also want to do the same for all the furniture - how many squares does each take up. :) Thanks!
 * It's an idea - sounds good but requires quite a bit of work. Furniture already has space listed (Size 2x2 etc.) --Sagacious (talk) 22:23, 20 December 2006 (PST)

Transferring ownership
I own a house and wanted to sell it or give it to another pirate. My impression is that I can't do so. The basis of that impression is that I'd expect this article to mention the possibility if I could.

If transfer of ownership is known to be impossible, I think the article should expressly say so. Gascony 22:39, 17 August 2012 (PDT)