Talk:List of known Atlantis outposts

Viridian
Flooded Oracle of the far Sea, Viridian. Klostro 15:36, 14 September 2007 (PDT)

Mysterious Oracle Of Phorkys, Viridian minutes after updating my last one :P Klostro 15:51, 14 September 2007 (PDT)

Rocky Frontier, Viridian Klostro 10:46, 15 September 2007 (PDT).

Distant Sanctuary Of Poseidon, Viridian Klostro 23:33, 16 September 2007 (PDT)

Abandoned Sanctuary Of Ophion, Viridian Klostro 20:52, 17 September 2007 (PDT)

Sunken Oracle of Poseidon, Viridian, Thanks Yomero Klostro 22:22, 17 September 2007 (PDT)

Abandoned Sanctuary of Nereus, Viridian, Celegast 09:10, 18 September 2007 (PDT)

Mysterious Monastery of the Telchines, Viridian, Celegast 09:10, 18 September 2007 (PDT)

Sunken Sanctuary of Ophion, Viridian, Celegast 09:10, 18 September 2007 (PDT)

Harsh Outpost, Viridian Klostro 17:27, 18 September 2007 (PDT)

Jagged Frontier, Viridian Already listed, though it has moved if the original poster was correct. See image. Klostro 12:21, 19 September 2007 (PDT)

Abandoned Monastery Of Eurynome, Viridian Klostro 23:41, 19 September 2007 (PDT)

Distant Monastery Of The Telchines, Viridian Klostro 06:30, 20 September 2007 (PDT)

Abandoned Shrine Of Nereus, Viridian Klostro 09:08, 20 September 2007 (PDT)

Sunken Sanctuary of Ophion, Viridian Klostro 15:08, 20 September 2007 (PDT)

Forbidding Bastion, Viridian Klostro 21:48, 20 September 2007 (PDT)

Lost Wall, Viridian Thanks Bloodypie. Klostro 09:37, 21 September 2007 (PDT)

Just so there's picture proof, Distant Sanctuary Of Poseidon. Here's the 2nd place it's popped up that I've known about, so thus officially ends my quest for screenshots. Good luck on collecting the board layouts. Klostro 18:03, 21 October 2007 (PDT)

Same name, different places...
When doing the "Battle Brigands with the Navy" mission, I noticed on board the boat a map to the "Distant Shrine of the Far Sea", but it was between Cochineal and Harmattan, nowhere near Xian Rock and Swampfen. Not sure what to make of this, so I figure I'll let you guys decide. I've taken a screenie, so I guess I can upload it if it helps. Alhaanna 04:26, 28 September 2007 (PDT)


 * Actually that's why it's been a while since I've uploaded any images, with this post from Ceph and from what I've been seeing personally lately, the outposts move, thought the name will stay the same, the only question now is whether or not the boards change as they move too. Klostro 00:24, 2 October 2007 (PDT)


 * Yes, I just come across another same name in a different place, so maybe this list isn't that useful if the outposts moves, unless we also record at what date it is seen at where and also people document what the internal board layout looks like. -- Vorky 01:25, 15 October 2007 (PDT)

Is this format even useful?
I think the Ice page set a bad precedent. These locations are inspecific, and personally I think they should be added to the oceanwide map templates in specific locations. Then again, the OMs said the routes were "fluid," so do we even have any assurance that the routes will stay the same week-to-week, or across reboots? --Chupchup 23:56, 5 September 2007 (PDT)
 * Track it all on this page and find out. That's what it's for. --Guppymomma 08:09, 6 September 2007 (PDT)

Just wondering if anyone is is willing to collect screenshots of these charts and what their routes look like on the map, as I'd love to undertake the project of linking them all to actual images of the routes as I think this could greatly help the buyers and sellers of these charts if they had an easy place for reference to show people exactly where the outpost is when they sell a chart, instead of what I've been seeing lately: "Where's the exact spot located?" "Uh, between these 2 interach islands". When in actuallity, I've so far seen at least 4 points between Jubilee and Hadrian on viridian myself that have outposts. Though I didn't start screenshotting them until recently. Klostro 22:28, 17 September 2007 (PDT)
 * Suggestion: format like "Spooky Spot of Crikey (W-NW-W from Park)" This gives distance and general direction, and would allow for tracking of even minor changes. --Hellsop 10:02, 22 Sept 2007

I've added the disputed tag back; I still contend that the information herein is outdated, inaccurate, and very hard to verify in any event. --Chupchup 19:00, 19 October 2007 (PDT)
 * I've actually debated with myself how I feel about this article on numerous occasions. Most of this is based on a conversation I have had with a couple of OMs regarding regarding the charts to these outposts.  I'm not sure if it was fixed in the latest release, but I know a few weeks ago I had a problem with a chart.  What the OMs told me was that for some reason the actual outposts were dusting before the charts to those outposts.  What we can see from the information in this article is that the information is not incorrect, but actually just out of date.  I would assume that these outposts in its current location are only staying there for no more then 2 weeks.  As such, this article is never going be fully up to date, but in the very least, once someone discovers a chart that's location doesn't match what is in this article, they should not just add the new information but update the outpost with its new location.  -- Cedarwings (t/c) 23:39, 19 October 2007 (PDT)

I believe it's an established fact that outposts change location. As such, my opinion is that this article should simply list known outpost names--and not separately for each ocean, but one global list.--thorntona 11:30, 21 October 2007 (PDT)
 * In order to track outpost names, all we'd need to do would be to break them down into their components. Each outpost name having 2-3 components, if we list them all like swabbie names/adjectives, that should cover it. --Chupchup 00:57, 1 November 2007 (PDT)

Major edit
I have created a mock up of what the page will look like once all of the outposts are combined into one list that covers all of the oceans. Please have a look at User:Amoyer/List of known Atlantis outposts. If there are no problems with this I will go ahead and implement the new changes. -- Cedarwings (t/c) 04:51, 10 December 2007 (PST)

I used some software tools to do a quick comparison, and your new list looks very good. There is one outpost name also in the original page that seems questionable to me: "Oracle of Phorkys". I suspect it was a typo and is missing a leading word such as "Mysterious". Also, should the new page mention that outpost locations move and so there's no reason to note their location? Just a thought. -- Biscuithead 09:13, 10 December 2007 (PST)


 * Good catch. I'll remove the item in question.  It is definitely missing something.  I'll also add a comment about the locations moving.  -- Cedarwings (t/c) 15:13, 10 December 2007 (PST)

What use is the new list? By removing the locations you have essentially removed any usefulness for keeping the list. I strongly suggest you answer these questions: What is the purpose of this list? Why would someone read/look for this list? I think when you answer these questions you will find your way back to ocean break out and location. Yes, the combined list is cleaner and easier to manage...but to what end? -Av
 * If you read the previous discussions, you'll realize that the previous list was not useful because it's been discovered that the locations change. Unless you can find volunteers to continually keep it up to date or another method to keep the list accurate, then it should stay like this.  --Guppymomma 10:27, 21 January 2008 (PST)

Yup and maybe just maybe if we track the locations here we could find out if there is a pattern. The straight list is nice and clean but besides linking me out to those with special names its of little value. Do the outposts change location... aye. Is it random? probably not. -Av


 * You should probably start a forum thread discussing it then so that folks can try to figure it out. When there is a testable theory on how they move, then you should edit this list.  --Guppymomma 17:04, 21 January 2008 (PST)

This list IS the best way to see if there is a pattern since it can accumulate data from many pirates. Simply list the OUTPOST name and perhaps islands it has been between /near. If the list seems to go on and on then we know they just randomly appear..if they confine themselves then we know there is some kind of pattern.
 * Av, please do use the forum thread method, or some other sandbox area to figure out if there's a pattern. Only the final product should be posted in this article.  Also, please remember to sign your comments using the "Your signature with a timestamp" button in the page editor.  Thank you!  --Eurydice 18:06, 21 January 2008 (PST)


 * I think the best way to compile this list in its present form is to enumerate all known adjectives and nouns, and the various way the game combines them to form outpost names. They are obviously random jumbles of words from a pool, just like swabbie names. As it stands, an exhaustive list of full names seems both useless and redundant. --Chupchup 20:16, 21 January 2008 (PST)
 * I have created List of known Atlantis outpost words as an alternative presentation. Comments? --Chupchup 20:34, 21 January 2008 (PST)
 * If anyone adds an outpost with a word not found in List of known Atlantis outpost words, please add that word to the appropriate list. It should be very minimal effort to keep it up to date (especially in contrast to this page.) --Chupchup 22:37, 30 March 2008 (PDT)

Article merge
I support the article merge into List of known Atlantis outpost words. Of course, I'm biased here. :-) Chupchup 20:34, 8 December 2008 (UTC)
 * As with the Cursed Isles, support. I may just get around to doing the merge someday. Billynoleg 15:02, 10 December 2008 (UTC)
 * I don't think any merging needs doing. I've just checked through, and there's no words in the list of outposts that aren't in the list of words, save two mispellings of Monastery, five of Forbidding, and one of Oracle. Unless Forbidden and Forbidding are different words, and the first isn't just a misreading. --Belthazar451 21:32, 10 December 2008 (UTC)
 * Merging will be very easy then: just change this article to a redirect to the other one. That's assuming there's no value in tracking the progress of the server's random number generator in traversing the entire name space of Atlantis outposts. -- Faulkston 04:07, 11 December 2008 (UTC)

Since there's been no objection, I completed the merge. Billynoleg 17:54, 17 January 2009 (UTC)