Talk:Furniture

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Miscellaneous
I think instead of making a seperate page for props located on ships that this info should be included on the ship pages we already have.--Fiddler 16:35, 5 August 2005 (PDT)

Well after reading all about furniture like to through out a possable idea for furniture in shops/stalls. When a certain piece of furniture is placed have it have the option of being checked of as a function. Ie a table for orders a desk for managing etc etc. This would allow owners/managers a bit more flexability in making there shop/stall more distinguished. Blackjammer.


 * Ahoy, Blackjammer! The wiki is an encyclopedia. If you'd like to contribute ideas to the game, please go to the Game Design forum.  --Barrister 21:27, 9 August 2005 (PDT)

furniture and housing will be added to the non-testing oceans later today! -Mneko, 14:25, 10 August 2005 (PDT)

Ahoy, its molerman, I think the delivery fees on Viridian are a little outragous. There at least half of the base price sometimes. Im already killed by badge cost. A little toning down wouldnt hurt

Decay
Perhaps we should find out exactly how often each piece of furniture can be moved. -Paladin
 * If you can figure it out, I think it would be a good bit to put in the column with views. A related question about decay would be: does moving furniture in one room/ship count for as much "decay" as removing it then putting it down in another room/ship? --Guppymomma 09:00, 18 August 2005 (PDT)
 * It's something I would love to try, but don't want to waste the poe on, heh. Wlada was kind enough to test map decay, and they apparently decay after exactly one month, whether on a person or a ship.   09:44, 18 August 2005 (PDT)
 * Well, we could start with counting the times we move something, especially for the more expensive items. Maybe there are some crazy rich people willing to donate for this. By the way, did Wlada find which percentages of decay are new, good and old? -Paladin

I caused a shabby table to rot away, and there was no warning that it'd dust before I removed it for the last time. --Thunderbird 17:56, 19 April 2006 (PDT)

Unbuyable Items
I'm noticing some of the unbuyable items haven't yet been added to this list. They're all available for viewing in the Gaea palace, at least, and you can holler at me or Bia for what they're called, if you want to add them. In the Gaea palace they're upstairs, last south-facing room on the left. --Eurydice 10:43, 25 September 2005 (PDT)
 * It's because of the what they're called issue. Yaten or Barrister got a palace owner to try looking, but they were all just labeled Prop. --Guppymomma 10:48, 25 September 2005 (PDT)
 * Ah. A list follows.  --Eurydice 11:43, 25 September 2005 (PDT)

Going clockwise, starting just to the right of the door in the Gaea Palace treasure room:
 * ancient bust
 * ancient rum jug - a little guesswork on cropping
 * stone tablet (on the wall)
 * ancient calendar (on the wall)
 * ancient pottery
 * ancient Jolly Roger (on the wall)
 * bronze neckband (next to the skull)
 * scarab
 * bronze fish
 * silver cross
 * spear head
 * lodestone compass
 * leviathan tooth (middle of room)
 * stone figurine (middle of room) - some guesswork was done while cropping the left arm

Also, a correction: the small sleeping pig is called a "piglet," while the large is called a "pig." Similarly, the small sleeping turtle is a "turtle," but the large is a "tortoise." --Eurydice 11:43, 25 September 2005 (PDT)

List of usable furniture Items
Just wondering if there is a style guideline or anything like for adding a list of "usable" furniture rather than having people being forced to click through the list to find if something has a use or not.

Furniture and sinking
What happens to furniture placed on a ship when the ship sinks? I have a sneaky suspicion the furniture is reclaimed, but has anyone tested it? 11:29, 3 December 2005 (PST)
 * One of the Ice changelog bits said that furniture on a sunk ship is lost. --Thunderbird 11:45, 3 December 2005 (PST)

Functional prop example
"Some functional items, like the drinking table on a war brig, may also be props."

Anyone have a still-valid example to use here? Actually--are there any functional props any more? Everything functional I can think of cannot be removed.
 * I can't think of any, but the drinking tables on old War Brigs still work, and to the best of my knowledge, they are still considered props. By the way, do you mean can be removed?  Pretty much every functional thing you buy at shops can be removed. --Sulu 14:31, 13 December 2005 (PST)
 * 99% sure the parlor game tables in the Inns are props. Though, IMO, they shouldn't be because they aren't replaceable without OM intervention. --Thunderbird 14:38, 13 December 2005 (PST)
 * Also, the brawl table on my merchant brig (a very old one) is a prop, but the drinking table isn't. --Thunderbird 14:54, 13 December 2005 (PST)

New layout?
I'd like to try to consolidate furniture items into templates. This will make adding new items easier. Can folks take a look at User:Barrister/Sandbox and Template:Furniture item and offer some feedback? At the moment, it mimics the existing furniture tables, but it could easily be converted into a more readable layout. --Barrister 01:53, 16 July 2006 (PDT)
 * I like it. It would probably look better if the item function was listed under the item name. Or even if the 4th column was only used for item function notes, and the Size, Doubloon cost etc. was listed a few lines below the name. Purely for readability. --Sagacious (talk) 10:23, 16 July 2006 (PDT)
 * I see ye tried moving the notes. It did look better, but I think it needed an extra space gap between the item name and the note. Also bolded the item name for better readability - but that's just something that bothered me. --Sagacious (talk) 15:02, 16 July 2006 (PDT)

Check it out. I think I have something I like. (Thanks for the suggestions, Sagacious.) More importantly, it's easy to tweak the formatting now. --Barrister 19:05, 16 July 2006 (PDT)
 * Me likes. Can I mirror and re-upload those first two images so they face the same direction as the other images? A minor nitpick :-) --Sagacious (talk) 19:19, 16 July 2006 (PDT)
 * Actually, please don't mirror them. There's a possibility that they look different when facing the other way.  A number of furniture items are not mirror images when rotated. --Barrister 00:14, 17 July 2006 (PDT)

I've finished converting the furniture to use a template. Check them out at: --Barrister 01:54, 18 July 2006 (PDT)
 * User:Barrister/Sandbox
 * User:Barrister/Sandbox2
 * User:Barrister/Sandbox3

Right column borders
I'm bugged by how the size/views/doubloons/decay on the right are separated into 2 columns like that; When looking at the Anchor, the information my eyes catch is "2x2 4 7 100", which doesn't make much sense. I don't think it's possible to make invisible borders, so I tried either using nested tables or just having all the lines. Take a look at User:Gaille/Sandbox. The code's not pretty, but you get what I mean. (I wonder if it'd be more effective to just put them in the same line without trying to align the columns.) Gail 07:16, 26 July 2006 (PDT)
 * I actually quite like the separation. You could always force the right border of the 'Size', 'Doubloons' cell to be white, hiding the cell divider. --Sagacious (talk) 07:41, 26 July 2006 (PDT)
 * Then let's go for that. I didn't know it was possible. Gail 08:07, 26 July 2006 (PDT)
 * I modded the template a bit. How does that look? --Sagacious (talk) 08:26, 26 July 2006 (PDT)
 * Probably should've let you finish this up, but I figured it'd take me as long to explain as to try it. A white border created a graphical glitch at the cell edges under FF (didn't test IE). I tried the 0px border thing, but you saw the result, there - ended up nesting a table in that cell. --AtteSmythe 09:12, 26 July 2006 (PDT)
 * Gah, and I should've seen Gaille's sandbox - I came here when I saw the change to the template proper. Great work, Gaille - that's exactly what needed to be done. --AtteSmythe 14:36, 26 July 2006 (PDT)
 * She's blocked herself for a week, so she can't respond :-/ However, just shows I was trying to be clever but apparently it no worky :P --Sagacious (talk) 14:46, 26 July 2006 (PDT)

Props
Is it possible for OMs to drop an item of furniture somewhere as a prop? It seems that if a prop is placed over a square that's occupied by a portal arrow (it won't let you do it with normal furniture), it will block that arrow and will give the parrot sqwawk but no message when clicked on. I had to delete the example, but if so, that's a nifty little exclusive-OM feature. --Piplicus 19:09, 10 August 2006 (PDT)

New layout, take 2
Please take a look at User:Barrister/Sandbox. That page contains links to the various groupings I've made. It also includes all the items I couldn't figure out where to put. Feedback very welcome. --Barrister 22:34, 12 November 2006 (PST)
 * The major concern I have with sorting furniture by "location" is that it just strikes me as immensely counterintuitive. If I'm looking for the recipe for gold candles, I want to be able to look for "gold candles", not have to decide if I consider them to be Palace or Inn or Shoppe furniture. :-/ --Ponytailguy 23:11, 12 November 2006 (PST)
 * I'm okay with having the same furniture item show up on multiple lists. My current concern is that furniture (floor) is too large to be useful when designing a room.    There are more than 130 items on that page.  --Barrister 12:45, 13 November 2006 (PST)
 * I like holiday, puzzle, rare, and storage. I would take the other five and combine them into two lists - tables (for furniture that can have tabletop furniture placed upon it) and decorative, which is what everything else really is.--Fiddler 12:53, 13 November 2006 (PST)

New idea: Just create "list of rare furniture" and friends. Then we can group them in as many ways as we'd like. There should be one master list of furniture, although probably broken up into 3 or 4 pages alphabetically by name. Thoughts? --Barrister 23:58, 13 November 2006 (PST)
 * Can we not just keep the current layout and have a TOC which can skip to each letter? --Sagacious (talk) 09:07, 14 November 2006 (PST)
 * We could, but I think combining the tabletop/floor/wall lists makes the most sense. That way, when someone is looking for a recipe, they won't need to know which type of furniture it is.  Of course, this would mean labeling each item as tabletop/floor/wall, but that's fine. --Barrister 11:25, 14 November 2006 (PST)

I'm still uploading images, but I've got a pretty good example going here. I particularly like how the bar segments have turned out. --Barrister 11:07, 17 November 2006 (PST)
 * I love the layout, and the additional information. Very nice. --AtteSmythe 11:12, 17 November 2006 (PST)
 * I'm basically done. I could probably use some introductory text at the top of Furniture (A through C) et al, but I'm too tired right now. --Barrister 01:37, 18 November 2006 (PST)

Still missing
Male/female pirate statues. I don't know if anyone has a well (or crane, for that matter). I would upload them, but I have no idea what to do with those RAWs. Gail 04:52, 19 November 2006 (PST)


 * I can upload them, but... has any player ever had them in their inventory? There are a lot of pseudo-furniture items in the RAW files.  These items can be seen in various scenes, but no one's ever placed/removed them.  Putting all these items into the furniture category might mislead people about their availability.  Also, I'd need their names.  Are they "male pirate statue"?  "pirate statue (male)"?  Or "Bob"?  --Barrister 08:52, 19 November 2006 (PST)


 * Saw it here. --Gail 05:59, 22 November 2006 (PST)


 * Thanks for for pointing this out. I've added them both.  --Barrister 01:40, 11 December 2006 (PST)

Wall furniture
There appear to be two types of wall furniture. There are sinks and fireplaces that must be placed along a wall, but stick out into the room. And then there are posters and tapestries that lay flat against the wall. You can actually put a fireplace on the same wall segment as one of these other types. It's almost as if the "flat" pieces are actually on the other side of the wall. --Barrister 04:18, 22 December 2006 (PST)

Splitting the pages
The Furniture (A through C) page and its brothers have gotten too big. I think it's time to create one for each letter of the alphabet. Some will be really short, but I think it's the right move. Opinions? --Barrister 01:50, 10 April 2008 (PDT)
 * I would tend to agree, adding new items is especially difficult as there is so much to go through to find the correct location for the item, let alone what it is like to find the item when just viewing the page. -- Cedarwings (talk) 09:48, 10 April 2008 (PDT)
 * Done. --Barrister 17:57, 23 April 2008 (PDT)

Tikis
So, there's a couple of Wiki Tikis scattered around the place, especially on Ice. Does it count as furniture? If so, does it go unter Tiki of Wiki? Or should they just have their own article? --Belthazar451 01:39, 1 December 2008 (UTC)
 * I think like charms the Tikis aren't furniture (you probably can't carry them on your pirate in the furniture tab). And they probbly deserve there own page, Community Tiki (that seems to be their name in the game) or perhaps mentioning on an article about portals. --Alfwyn 13:45, 1 December 2008 (UTC)
 * Aye, I was thinking it might be something similar to the charms. That said, I'm not sure about "Community Tiki" for the name. All the ones on Shatterstone on Ice have a different name depending on which portal they link to - the Community Tiki one links to Portal:Community. The one in the Lima Inn on Viridian (the only one I've seen on a production ocean, though probably I've just not been looking hard enough) just says "Browse Inscription". --Belthazar451 21:16, 1 December 2008 (UTC)
 * Right, I just checked some more of them, they seem to be named after the portal they link to. On Sage I found "Voyages Tiki" on Descartes, "Commerce Tiki" on Wensleydale and "Community Tiki" on Lincoln so far (oh and that was near the docks, not in the inn). --Alfwyn 21:36, 1 December 2008 (UTC)
 * Technically the item is called "Tiki Portal". I don't know if they're carryable by a pirate but if they were I'd imagine it'd be just like the fountain.--Fiddler 21:54, 1 December 2008 (UTC)
 * Ok, I've added it to the main furniture list, as per Fiddler's comment about it being like the fountain. If we want to make a page for them, we can do so. I just need images of the left-facing versions of the PoE and SF block tikis. I don't think they're quite a mirror image of the right-facing ones, especially the SF one. Also, I'm not entirely sure it's 2x2. --Belthazar451 05:41, 2 December 2008 (UTC)
 * I'm not sure about the description you put on the furniture page too. There is nothing that says they can only be placed outdoors as we have seen them inside as well, like in the Dragon's Nest Inn on Cobalt and Viridian.  We also don't know if they can be placed by all governors or whether this is a OM/developer thing only.  I'll poke the powers that be about that part.  -- Cedarwings (talk) 04:21, 3 December 2008 (UTC)
 * Whoops, forgot to delete the outdoors bit. That one was a copy-paste error. =) --Belthazar451 05:50, 3 December 2008 (UTC)
 * I have fixed the Tiki portal entry on the furniture page. Offically, governors can place the tiki, but there is some dark magic that needs to be done so that it links to the Yppedia and this needs to be done by a developer.  As for the next question, the details on how a governor can go about requesting a tiki on their island is still being worked out.  More information about that will come as soon as it has been decided.  Also, I'm working on setting up the page for the Tiki portal.  Included on this page is going to be a list of locations for the tikis so I'll need help with that once I get a table setup for it. -- Cedarwings (talk) 20:13, 3 December 2008 (UTC)

Mystery boxes and historical information
So the mystery boxes were changed recently to differ visually from solid wrapped presents. When colors are reused for promotions with the new style art, do we want to overwrite the solid wrapped gift style art with the new images, do we want to change those items to something along the lines of "Plum mystery box (old)", or do we want to add the new art as additional views of the existing item? (I feel that last one could confuse people into thinking they can change the box style by rotating it...) --Ladodal 12:23, 15 August 2012 (PDT)


 * Just my own $0.02 worth... The current, most recent art should be used for most instances of these items, in most of the articles, such as the  alphabetical furniture pages or the various lists of sub-types of furniture.  However, the old art should be included (as historical data) in the "mystery box" page itself.  -- Franklincain (t/c) 12:31, 15 August 2012 (PDT)