User talk:Fiddler/5-Nov-June

Thanks, Fiddler... the image is now correct in it's filename.

How do I then attach the image to the project page? I can't find it in the upload a file help, ect.

Cheers!

Trophy talk page
Just thought I would let you know the KB link does not work properly. Just gets you an error message.

Locked trophy talk page
Can you please add a reminder on the trophy talk page that those editing the trophy page please, please, please describe the edit and the reason for it for the history?

Uhh... MINOR? ** unsheaths throwing knife **
I did not create a nearly identical set of templates. I don't know about you, but I'd say having twice as many templates in it is good because it gives more information. I never suggested it should used as an addition to the old kind, what if some flags don't want this information?

When the original Infobox flag was made, did everyone use it, or did one person write a big article and wait for it to grow?

I think there are two main reasons for keeping it:
 * 1) I put hard work into it
 * 2) It offers a choice between a bit of information and a lot of information, so flags can pick the one they prefer


 * --ROCKAB88M
 * There's the possibility that the templates could get merged (since they have a lot of common parts) if there are optional sections (actually implemented with nested templates) of the templates. A good example of such optional sections would be the pirate infobox template. Not every pirate has familiars or is an island designer yet the pirate infobox template is able to be configured correctly. Thus flags can pick which parts they prefer to complete in the merged flag infobox. Your hard work would not go to waste. -- Faulkston 21:42, 12 November 2006 (PST)


 * No one's questioning your work, Rockerman. We're just pointing that having two templates that do the same basic task is redundant.  Obviously, you've based yours on the current infobox flag.  That means that changes to the common sections should be reflected in both.  That's a lot of extra effort.  I'd much rather see you propose changes to their current infobox flag than create a duplicate.


 * For the record, yes, nearly everyone used infobox flag when it was created because various editors took the time to add it to as many flag pages as they could. There's a great benefit in using a common template for all flags.  Note that we have a single infobox for each of islands, crews, and buildings.  It makes it easier for new editors to learn to use them if there's only one of each, and it provides a common appearance.


 * To anticipate your next question, the current infobox flag template is locked because many new editors were mistakenly adding their own flag's information directly into the template. We continue to be open to changes to the infobox flag template.


 * Now, kindly sheath your knife. We don't roleplay threats on the wiki.  Thank you.  --Barrister 22:52, 12 November 2006 (PST)


 * A good anticipation of my question, but not my next one. Before I ask why it is locked, I must ask why we need simple infoboxes and why all flag pages should look the same.- ROCKAB88M
 * why all flag pages should look the same Because this is an encyclopedia, not web hosting. If you scatter information about your flag in non-standard formats and areas of the article it makes it that much more difficult for anyone trying to find information about your flag.
 * why we need simple infoboxes It's not so much that simple infoboxes are needed, it's that they're greatly preferred. They typical user of the YPPedia does not have the knowhow to create their own templates.  Mostly they don't even know how the templates they do use work, and they still tend to get it wrong better than half the time.  We like to keep things simple and sparse for those users.  Optional parameters are fine, and in the case of the less used features of an infobox, preferred.--Fiddler 01:07, 14 November 2006 (PST)

Subtemplates
Since you've only just begun, might I recommend cat-sorting these as you go? --AtteSmythe 15:40, 13 November 2006 (PST)

Fame
Is there a reason not to add Ice to the Fame lists? --Barrister 18:36, 14 November 2006 (PST)
 * Uhhh, I forgot?--Fiddler 18:44, 14 November 2006 (PST)

MediaWiki:BlankCrewpage
I was wondering if you had any thoughts about the change I proposed to MediaWiki:BlankCrewpage. I was hoping that we could get it updated to better match the YPPedia:Sample crew page. In my version I have included the fields that have recently been added to Template:Infobox crew as well as mirroring the dummy sections to the sample as well as the majority of crew pages on the wiki. My version can be found at User:Kgarrett1969/Sandbox/BlankCrewpage --Kgarrett1969 07:42, 15 November 2006 (PST)
 * Honestly I've sort of put that project on the backburner until Bluetoes gets back from vacation. He had expressed interest in creating a bot to automatically fill in articles for flags and crews that were lacking one.  If his bot works as extensively as I think he wants to, it will pre-empt most flag and crew article creation, leaving a stub and a blank structure to be filled in by humans later on.  I'll take a look at your sandbox later today and compose my thoughts.--Fiddler 07:52, 15 November 2006 (PST)
 * Looks good; I copied it over.--Fiddler 09:12, 15 November 2006 (PST)

yoweb
I just wanted to drop a note to say that I'm absolutely tickled every time I hit a pirate page and see the list of yoweb pages where the gallery link used to be. Thanks for doing that conversion! --AtteSmythe 13:59, 15 November 2006 (PST)
 * No problem. I'm quite happy it turned out as well as it did, in no small part thanks to your efforts as well.  I think this looks so much better than the gallery box did, it reinforces the color schemes that the wiki uses per ocean, and it means we can cut down on trophy clutter in each article, so a three way winner all around.--Fiddler 19:36, 15 November 2006 (PST)

Ambassador
Fair enough, I didn't create the page, I was just starting to wikify other pages for it. Thanks for the heads up! --Whitemonkey 23:14, 15 November 2006 (PST)

Nemesis
Was that comment meant to be nasty or was it just the way it came out? I am sorry if i wasnt supposed to create a disambiguation page - nobody told me. also, if am going to update all the links, how do i make it still say "Nemesis" but link to "Nemesis (Ocean Master)" All i was trying to do was create a page for my crew and it seems to have got very complicated very quickly... sorry to be troublesome .--Smc508 12:04, 19 December 2006 (PST)

OK i realise now that i have been stupid. I tried to create my page before i really knew anything about yppedia, and now i have paid the price. However, unfortunately i tried to fix it all as well. I was planning to move the OM page back and put a link at the top to my crew page, but it appears i cant move the OM page back because the disambiguation page is there, and i tried to get rid of the disambig page by moving it and that didnt work, and now i feel very stupid, and would be very very grateful if an admin could put it all right. Meanwhile im going to try and find some yppedia help pages, and next time i'll stick to my own page and nothing more. Sorry again --Smc508 12:47, 19 December 2006 (PST)

Tcomp template
Thanks!

I'd like to hear what you have in mind for the template.

Over the past two days, I had been mulling over these two ideas to make the thing simpler, but I either couldn't think of doing it without parser functions, or without something massively complicated. Although I'm getting better at the template stuff (and managed to figure out the last bit of the BoNB template), I still make some errors:
 * A one-size fits all template
 * Using letters like a and b instead of Night Stalkers

--Piplicus 11:13, 28 December 2006 (PST)

Trophy Galleries on Pirate Pages
Ahoy there! Normally, I don't quibble over small details but I felt I should speak up a bit on this one. It has always been my understanding that the wiki was intended to be a source of information set apart from the directly linked information of the game. I have always striven to duplicate as much in-game information as possible on the wiki regardless of whether other links to it were readily available or not. In my personal (and possibly, sole) opinion, the removal of the trophy galleries on the pirate pages is counter-productive to that. I realize that the new yoweb links in the pirate profile go straight to the in-game info page and the trophies are one click away but many wiki browsers, myself included up until recently, aren't aware that the links goes to anything more than a portrait gallery anymore. I personally don't think that (a well designed) trophy gallery at the bottom of a pirate page creates any more clutter than a trinket gallery or extra crew portraits or other miscellaneous images that are often included. So I would ask that the option to have a trophy gallery located on a pirate page despite the link to yoweb be reconsidered or just discussed a bit. Thanks for your time! --Muffynz 08:30, 29 December 2006 (PST)
 * I agree, we need a discussion on this matter. I am of the opinion that we shouldn't be allowing trophy galleries on pirate pages. --Sagacious (talk) 08:42, 29 December 2006 (PST)


 * A better place to hold this discussion would be at Talk:Main_Page --Fiddler 08:59, 29 December 2006 (PST)
 * Sorry 'bout that, just picked the admin with the edit history and figured it would be a good place to start. Message copied to the main talk page. --Muffynz 09:05, 29 December 2006 (PST)
 * No worries mate.--Fiddler 09:15, 29 December 2006 (PST)

Re: Transclusion
Thanks for the tip!

Is there any way to substitute a page's contents in, i.e. using both a colon and a subst: ?

The reason why I ask is it could be useful for something like the welcome template. If someone's article gets deleted, it would be nice to be able to substitute the page in the message, without having to manually copy and paste. --Piplicus 10:12, 30 December 2006 (PST)

my yppedia page
hi i was just wondering why you felt that the trophys i had been awarded are not nessasary to be on my page. i worked hard to get those trophy's i feel i should be able to show them off on my page!

Skellykitten is another pers who is proud of her trophys and is wondering why they have been removed from the page!

defunct flagids?
You added a flagid to of doom, but it doesn't do anything because it's using the defunct template. Was this intentional? --Barrister 15:28, 18 January 2007 (PST)
 * Yeah, I though I had already made the change to show the yoweb link on the defunct infoboxes as well. My reasoning is that dormant crews and flags will still have valid yoweb entries and disbanded or merged crews can have the id number removed when the infobox is updated.--Fiddler 17:33, 18 January 2007 (PST)

Weirdness?
On the Howto:Use building news history page you wrote "fix weirdness?" What do you mean by that, as the compare shows you added a clear. Thanks for changing the title though, realised that a bit late meself --Supreem1 07:45, 4 February 2007 (PST)

User talk:Doriiiiiiiii
I disagree with your removal of my changes to the User talk:Doriiiiiiiii page as this information is not necessary as it is also an exact duplicate of the User:Doriiiiiiiii page. The content should be deleted in my opinion.-- Cedarwings (t/c) 08:17, 6 March 2007 (PST)
 * I see your point that this is a user space issue, but I was just following along with the Yppedia:User pages comments that the talk page is a place to leave comments, and assumed that meant not a place for the article itself, but I also understand your point of view. -- Cedarwings (t/c) 08:35, 6 March 2007 (PST)

Zook
I am such an absent-minded moron... ha... sorry and thanks :) -- Thefirstdude (t/c) 12:29, 22 March 2007 (PDT)

Release Calendar
Ahoy! Now that I am over my absent-mindedness [for today], I noticed that you're using HTML table code for all the Release Calendar pages, and also don't have any templates made to make that easier and less copy-paste intensive. If you're interested in converting it to a more Wiki-ish format, I'd love to help and talk more about it. -- Thefirstdude (t/c) 14:55, 22 March 2007 (PDT)
 * When I first started on it I'd considered wikifying all the tables I used, but it ended up being so much easier to just steal the code from a pre-made calender I found on the web. Besides, this format of calendar is only of so much utility on the wiki that I didn't see much point in creating an overly complex template.
 * If you feel up to making a calender template, try converting this into a template. That is a format I can see being of use to event runners.--Fiddler 22:53, 22 March 2007 (PDT)


 * I do see what you're saying. But... what exactly of that are you suggesting be templatified?  Like... having variables for each day for events happening on that day?  In any case, I'll start off with wikifying and templatifying what you used for the Event Calendar.  It should be up by the end of this evening.  -- Thefirstdude (t/c) 16:28, 23 March 2007 (PDT)


 * Well... I took a look at Wikipedia:Template:Calendar... and it uses some functions our version of MediaWiki doesn't support, as well as being otherwise far above my level of WikiCode understanding. So, yeah... I'll try to get something figured out sometime.  -- Thefirstdude (t/c) 18:00, 23 March 2007 (PDT)

Bot
Psst. You're doing normal edits while still a bot. --Guppymomma 15:43, 18 April 2007 (PDT)


 * Ooops.--Fiddler 15:48, 18 April 2007 (PDT)


 * Heh, I wondered why your edits weren't showing up in the history... -- Thefirstdude (t/c) 17:33, 18 April 2007 (PDT)

Vanity Portrait
Ahoy mate. I believe that on this page, http://yppedia.puzzlepirates.com/Tooth_and_Nail. You removed a couple of portraits that you called, Vanity Portraits. Under the Vanity Guidelines, http://yppedia.puzzlepirates.com/YPPedia:Vanity_guidelines. It says that if it says Monarch, Captain, Governor, Familiar Contest Winners, and A Multiple Island Maker it is not consitered Vanity. I believe i did say that the portraits contained 2 of those things. I just wanted to get it striaght so i can post them again. Without someone taking them off. =) Cody222


 * Two things - first off, the vanity guidelines no longer apply (hence the header box at the top saying so). Second, when they were in effect, the intention was to apply only to articles about those pirates themselves.  There was some discussion here about random portraits on crew pages not pertaining to the crew, and the result was that they are not allowed.  -- Thefirstdude (t/c) 15:25, 23 April 2007 (PDT)

Well mate if you are going to say this, then make sure its true for every page. I have seen others with pictures like mine. If you are going to do this to mine, then it should be done to all. Oh and the picture not pertaining to the crew, i believe that is the captian. So that isnt a random picture. The other one was the first mate. Just saying.


 * Point out other articles with single-pirate portraits and I will do the same.--Fiddler 18:31, 23 April 2007 (PDT)


 * Said pirates are entitled to their own pirate pages which can contain aforementioned portraits, respectively. There is no need to display them on the crew page as well.  Also, you can sign comments on talk pages using -- ~, which produces the stuff at the end of Fiddler's message, but with correct values. -- Thefirstdude (t/c) 19:21, 23 April 2007 (PDT)

Wiki Event Image Tag
Hi Fid. Thanks for adding the tags to the reward images I just uploaded. I did notice though, that they are not listed at YPPedia:Image_tags. Want to do it? Then gif meh poez? --Arminius 12:08, 4 May 2007 (PDT)

New Pirate Infobox layout
Ahoy there. I noticed you are working on an update for the pirate infoboxes to show rank information as part of the ocean marker. I noticed because you were testing using Charun, which you may or may not know is my character. I like the new look but I'm wondering if you are planning on allowing for more than one rank to be displayed. After all it is possible for a pirate to have a crew rank, flag rank and govern an island all at the same time which would be 3 seperate icons. Just courious. --Kgarrett1969 09:36, 21 May 2007 (PDT)
 * No, there is no plan to expand it past one rank icon. The full discussion can be found at Template_talk:Infobox_pirate, but the gist of it is that there is only room for three icons and the ocean name inside each ocean box.  Two of those slots are taken up by trophy and portrait links, leaving room for only one rank.--Fiddler 09:57, 21 May 2007 (PDT)

TH Trophies
Have the #1 and Ult trophies been seen on the production oceans? I took them off because according to the records on Sage no one had been able to achieve Ult yet. I thought the policy was to not post trophies until they were actually seen on the production oceans, as per OM instruction. Am I wrong? Sashamorning 19:57, 25 May 2007 (PDT)
 * As I interpret it, we shouldn't post trophies that haven't been seen on the oceans, period. If Ice appearances didn't count then we shouldn't highlight them when they are spotted on Ice.--Fiddler 21:40, 25 May 2007 (PDT)

Using showhide in german YPPedia
Ahoy! I tried to get the showhide template into the german yppedia (and failed miserably). What has to be done to get it to work? Can it be done by me or is an admin needed? --MrTeatime 16:27, 6 June 2007 (PDT)