Talk:Event E2/Proposal Scarymuffin

Neat idea. A few questions and suggestions:
 * How will you make sure that no crew brings it own fruit monopoly into the game, eliminating the need to PvP?
 * How will you keep different ships from working together, i.e. throwing fights so their friends can take their fruit and win?
 * In the slot sloop event that I helped run, we discovered that certain types of fruit (the least valuable, it seemed) were consistently the first taken when a PvP was lost. Certain types of fruit were not taken even once in 20 or so PvP battles.  Have you tested this?  If so, how will you account for the imbalance in which fruits are taken?
 * Consider using a single non-fruit commodity, such as stone, and requiring contestants to win a specific number of stones (three may be low) by defeating other ships. Also consider starting every ship with at least 4 stones, so the first time they lose a battle they will be guaranteed to lose some stone from their hold (PvP takes 25% of commods from the hold, 50% from the booty chest).

--Squashbuckle 08:57, 28 January 2006 (PST)
 * Will you be monitoring the ships to make sure they do not port? Porting and divvying will move commods from booty to hold, making them less likely to be lost.  Or will you allow porting to be part of the strategy, knowing that other competitors will be able to camp the island point for deporting ships?

Good points --ScaryMuffin 20:32, 30 Jan 2006 (PST)
 * I want to have a greenie judge with every boat if possible. However, even without a judge on board at all times, I can always check the vessel logs.
 * Concerning points two and three...I should check to see if you can deliver things to the booty of a ship, thus making it more likely to be taken. I might also increase the number of fruits per boat as well as the number required for fruit monopoly but it'll depend on what I can grab from Wens and Admiral.
 * Porting is allowed as stated in the rules. Divvying I think I will disallow, especially if I can deliver things straight to the booty. Again, Divvying can be checked by looking at the vessel log. People can incorporate this into their strategies, I'm allowing participants to start from either Wens or Admiral but they must port back at Admiral to win.

What are OCL rules? Where does one find them?

--squirrelloid 14:32, 2/3/06

Added link to the new OCL rules. The only difference between the sea battle rules of OCL and for my event is the strict 4 player teams. Unfortunately I tried to buy rum to the booty and it didn't work and so I'm guessing the same would be for fruits. If not too many people register I could handle giving them 4 of each fruit and setting the monopoly at 10.

--ScaryMuffin 21:01, 3 Feb 2006 (PST)

I do not believe you can deliver anything directly to the booty of a ship, other than PoE. Poe itself can be deposited into the booty directly. A record of the deposit will show in vessel logs, and PoE can be deposited at anytime, by anybody. The only way I can think of to "fix" what items other than PoE would be in the booty, would be for a person to arrange PvP with another ship that intentionally had the target items in their hold, and have that opposing ship take a dive. This again, should be able to be verified with the vessel records IF the vessel stays in one crew.

I have noticed recently that once deeds are traded, their vessel logs are wiped. To keep those instact, you might consider requiring participants to temporarily join the event crew, so all deeds being used stay in one crew where you can check the vessel logs, and they are not wiped from trading. --Muroni 14:39, 5 February 2006 (PST)

If that is true, then aye, I will have to job everyone to a tempt crew...luckily I've got one set up for just the occassion.

--ScaryMuffin 00:49, 7 Feb 2006 (PST)

At the risk of supporting my competition in the event:event, I think this idea is really cool. Looseweed

Mentoring
ScaryMuffin: I've decided to finalize the prizes: 4 renamed sloops (fruity theme), 4 ribbons (preferably the fancy kind since they look more like county fair prize ribbons), and 4 fruitcakes. These best fit the theme of the event. I'll provide the sloops and fruitcakes, but I was wondering if it'll be alright to ask the OMs for the renames and the ribbons and what the best way to do this is.

Crystal:
 * I like the prizes - good choices. As well as Fruity adjectives, there are some fruit-related fish (e.g. pineapplefish, banana, bananafish, mango, mangofisk, lime are all fish). Asking for renames and ribbons seems reasonable given that you're providing sloops and fruitcakes. :) Artemis is making her way through these entries, and she'll approve OM assistance with prizes as she goes.


 * You have a choice of two starting points. I wonder whether the chaos and joy might be increased by having everyone sticking to the first league off Admiral, rather than anywhere on the route. It would be totally insane, and enormous fun to watch!


 * I think the earlier comment about increasing the numbers of fruits so that you are more likely to receive one in a successful PvP is a good one. Starting with 4, with a target of 9? I can see those numbers going up and down quite a lot once the fruits are being won from the booty!


 * I prefer to avoid making contestants join an alt crew for events - it can be quite disruptive, and can muck up royalty etc. And people like to take part in these things as their mains, not as alts. One alternative is that YOU create an alt that you don't mind moving around crew to crew. As the winners come in, you join their crew, get officered and read the vessel records yourself. It's got to be easier for you to do that just for the winners than for all contestants to move into your crew.

--Crystal 11:29, 14 February 2006 (PST)
 * I was wondering about the greenie judges. It's a lot of volunteers standing around, who could otherwise be filling 5 sloops and joining in gleefully. Why not have the XO of the contestant ships /tell you "ported" as they hit port? You can immediately /who them to ensure that they are in port, then go and join their crew to check their vessel records. To allow for difference in typing speed, you can say that if you get tells with 10 seconds of each other, you'll consider it a tie - you've already allowed for that for very tight calls. That way you release a lot of your volunteers to have more fun.

--Artemis 12:53, 14 February 2006 (PST)
 * how are you going to stop people from entring with lots of alt crews and pvping each other just for the fruit? Crew pvp records might help a bit with this, actually.
 * Keeping one judge per ship is not going to be very feasible, what are they watching for anyway? If it's the finish, you can just have them sell fruit to a certain shoppe on the island, that sale can be verified via. the vessel logs or the shoppe records, depending on where you hold it.
 * Prizes: I like the idea of a portrait, I'd be happy to provide ribbons and fruitcakes as well, which you could inscribe with the event, date, place, etc.


 * Following up on one of Artemis' comments - you may want to introduce a "one PvP on each ship" rule, so that at least any alt crewing has to involve more than the one!
 * Also a comment (and probably absolutely obvious) to check the PvP record that all fights are against participating ships, rather than their-mate-who-was-loaded-with-fruit-specially-for-the-occasion!
 * Thinking again about the numbers, I'm wondering now whether it's better to stick with just one fruit type, but higher numbers, rather than five fruit types. Perhaps less strategy for checking PvP records of the other contestants to guess where the fruit is, but still some. Ghoti ran a Fruit Punch event within the flag (never happened as an ocean event, though) which was just that people have a load of fruit loaded on and PvP each other for a certain amount of time, and the one at the end with the most fruit is the winner. I like the idea of the "first person to get X number of fruit", though. Just wondering whether having fewer fruits would make it easier. --Crystal 10:28, 15 February 2006 (PST)

Progress Update

 * Below is the post I want to make in the forums for my event, please critique it. I'll post it up once I've double check my personal schedule and gotten my hands on the prizes

[Sage] Fruit Market Monopoly Madness (PvP Galore!)

An event for those with a desire to brush up or learn and practice PvP! Show that you’re the ocean’s finest with your team of four and sloop or cutter.

The aim of the game is to be the first to port at Admiral with a complete set of all the fruits used in the event. Everyone will start with a certain number of one fruit and must PvP others for the other fruits.

Date: March 17th, 2006

Time: 7pm PST

Register with me in game or in this thread within 24 hours before the event (so that I can collect more fruit if necessary). If there is spare fruit, I will be taking late registrants on a first-come first-serve basis. When registering, please note the game name of all the pirates in your four-pirate team and the name of your sloop/cutter.

A complete list will be noted in this thread once the registration deadline has passed. I will also note what fruits will be used at that time and take late registrants if I have spare fruit.

Before the event, have your sloop/cutter ported at Admiral. At 6:30pm on the day of the event, my referees and I will begin checking vessel histories and transferring fruit over. You may not deport until it shows 7pm in the /info.

At 7pm, all ships may deport and begin engaging each other for PvP. The entire event will take place on the Admiral-Scrimshaw route. You are allowed to port at Admiral for supplies, but you are not allowed to change ships. Only PvP participating ships. Once you make it back to Admiral port with at least one of each fruit used in the event, send a tell to Scarymuffin and a referee will be invited to your crew and promoted to officer so that he can check the vessel records. Please note that if your crew is not autocratic you must ensure that the referee can be made an officer. Prizes will be given to the first three ships that port with a complete set of fruit.

Tiebreaker: If I receive two tells from a ported ship with a complete set within ten seconds of each other, I will consider it a tie. After verifying the vessel records, both ships will immediately set out and engage each other, the winner will take the higher spot contested.

Prizes: First place team will get to choose one of the following prizes, the second place team will pick from whatever is left and the third place team will take the leftovers.

Four Renamed Sloops: Fruity Robero, Engaging Bananafish, Exploding Pineapplefish, Attacking Mangofish.

Four Fancy County Fair Blue Ribbons

Four Fruitcakes

Post your questions, comments, concerns and registrations below!

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That looks really good - and I love the idea that they all start with one type of fruit and have to collect a set. Nice! One minor teeny tiny detail, which is entirely my fault. It was pointed out in another event discussion that getting someone immediately promoted to officer only works in an Autocratic crew or when there are enough senior officers or other crewmates to vote an issue through. It therefore isn't a foolproof method. :/ So... perhaps I could suggest that if they have a senior officer or above in an autocratic crew, than that's the way you do it, as described above. If they are in a democratic or oligarchic crew, however, they will need to join your crew (or alt crew) for the event. Sorry about that - I'm too used to autocratic crews, I'm afraid! --Crystal 15:33, 16 February 2006 (PST)

rummaged from the desk of Lordkalvan
I too really like the idea of starting with one type of fruit and having to collect a set. Checking PvP records to make sure ships don't fight non-contestants (who might have 100 assorted fruits aboard and just do a quick grapple and suicide) is an excellent idea too.

If ye don't allow divvying the booty, then ye don't need to have vessel log access; just job aboard the ship and check the booty chest afore it be divvied, and see if there be at least one type of each fruit in the booty chest (which means the ship also needs to win one of the type it started with itself. Just a suggestion there.  I used that fer me Out fer Blood contest and it was quite painless. --Tcarr 07:46, 17 February 2006 (PST)

Lord Kalvan is a gentleman and a scholar and his wise advise should be heeded. Aye - take out the ability to divide booty during the event, check the PvP records for non-contestants, and any jobber can check the booty! --Crystal 08:23, 17 February 2006 (PST)

Final Progress Update
Ok, event is posted here. Going to be stocking up fruit until registration closes and I'm still waiting on Artemis...if you're reading this, please email me the times you'll be on and I'll try to catch you for the ribbons and renames. Thanks!

--ScaryMuffin 15:58, 20 Feb 2006 (PST)

Everything looks pretty good as far as I can see. Ok, so for prizes for you I need to know: I'll start distributing prizes after I return from Blackpool in March and will discuss any problems with prizes that I have.
 * What Prizes/trinkets you're requesting
 * Where I should put the prizes (ocean/island/house name)
 * For any renames, what the original and renames of the ships should be as well as the crew and island where they can be found
 * --Artemis 17:07, 21 February 2006 (PST)

Thanks so much Artemis!
 * Four Blue Fancy Ribbons to be left in the Display Case on the Magical Carpetshark ported in Descartes (Sage)
 * Active Plaice is with The Lost Lot currently and ported at Lincoln.
 * Elegant Wrasse, First-Class Sardine, and Hard-Headed Piranha are with Infernal Horde O Pirates and are ported at Wensleydale
 * Their final destinations are at Admiral and with Infernal Horde O Pirates
 * I wish to have them renamed: Fruity Robero, Engaging Bananafish, Exploding Pineapplefish, and Attacking Mangofish.


 * --ScaryMuffin 00:01, 22 Feb 2006 (PST)

Final Prize and Support Information
As of right now, this is the list of prizes and support I have listed for the OM's to provide for you, if anything is not correct or complete you need to get in touch with me as soon as possible, I will not around the whole weekend! Please give the OM's plenty of time to respond to any requests and speak to them in advance if at all possible, for some of you that will be more important than others. I've given a copy of the standard OM schedule to Jacquilynne as well if I'm not available.

--Artemis 10:10, 3 March 2006 (PST)
 * Prizes: Taken care of (yay! bonus points for being so easy)
 * support: Broadcast. You should also speak to the OM onduty at the time just in case you run into any issues you need them to resolve.