Talk:Ultimate list

-I've confirmed over the last few days that the ultimate lists update on the Midnight ocean at 2:02am Piratey time. Can someone check this on any other ocean? I'm not sure how valid it is to assume that the oceans all work exactly the same in things like this. -ruby_spoon
 * I can tell you that the time currently on the front page is wrong, as the updates were visible at around 2:30AM on Viridian. --Thunderbird 03:14, 24 September 2005 (PDT)

Narrow or Broad?
What's the threshold for experience? -- Faulkston 09:50, 23 April 2006 (PDT)


 * I'm pretty sure it's Broad. The Battle-nav list on Hunter only shows broad experienced people :) --Nickster v (t/c) 10:07, 23 April 2006 (PDT)
 * Thanks for the confirmation. I've edited the article accordingly. -- Faulkston 10:36, 23 April 2006 (PDT)

Dormancy
After what period of time not having played a puzzle will an ultimate no longer appear on the list until they do so? In the case of carousing puzzles, will unrated games reset this time, or does it need to be rated? --Ruddigore 05:19, 2 May 2006 (PDT)
 * I'm not sure anyone's tested this. You could be the first if you wanted to give it a whirl. :)  --Guppymomma 05:42, 2 May 2006 (PDT)
 * I *think* that you remain on the ultimate list reguardless of dormancy. What does happen though, is if you don't play the puzzle for a while, your rating will gradually drop and you'll fall off the ultimate list. --Sagacious 06:57, 2 May 2006 (PDT)
 * If you do not play the puzzle for 10 days, you will drop off the Ult list, regardless of your stats being effected (positively or negatively) by the inactivity. Do not confuse dropping off the Ult list with losing your Ult, Sagacious. This happens to my Treasure Drop listing repeatedly as I only play once per month recently, and only stay on the Ult list for 10 days after.  I track it using this.  Even though I drop off the Ult list, when I pop back on it a month later, I'll generally be within 1 or 2 spots from where I was before. Edit: also, I believe the games must be rated to re-enable yourself on the Ult list, but I haven't thoroughly tested that particular aspect.  --Rixation 07:10, 2 May 2006 (PDT)
 * As the ratings change, so will yours if you don't play the game regularly. I got Ult poker for a while but I stopped playing for a few days and watched my rating bounce a bit. --Sagacious 07:45, 2 May 2006 (PDT)
 * I don't believe that's caused by your ranking decaying, so much as other people's activity; I've seen my ranking word change in either direction without having played the puzzle recently. But that's entirely unrelated to the issue I wanted to raise: it's perfectly possible to go dormant in a puzzle and be omitted from the list, while your ranking still shows as ultimate on your info page. I'll abstain from bilging on my Sage alt for a while to confirm Rixation's 10 day figure. Unfortunately I don't have any reliable carousing ults, so someone else will need to check the unrated issue. --Ruddigore 10:20, 2 May 2006 (PDT)


 * Ruddigore and Rixation are correct in this. My stats on Midnight tend to go dormant which pushes me off the Ult lists, and then much later I'll see rating decay. For example, it's been about three weeks since I last gunned, and I fell off the Ult lists a week ago. Only 3 or so days ago did my rating begin to decay any, which is more a product of other people gunning well and my not gunning at all. Falling off the list isn't *always* because of rating decay, although there are times that it is. The two are not the same thing. --Fannon 10:43, 2 May 2006 (PDT)
 * I meant that the reason your standing goes down after so long not doing the puzzle is due to other player's standings. I didn't imply they decayed normally..I hope. --Sagacious 10:45, 2 May 2006 (PDT)

Ultimates and Experience
First off, I apologise if I've missed something here, however, my stats on an alt for poker are Neophyte/Ultimate. It's a full ultimate, furthermore, there are less than 10 ultimates in my arch, however, I don't show up after the list was recalculated? If broad is the experience threshold for even the established puzzles, I think that needs to be clarified a little more?

Also, the sentence "In a well-established puzzle, only pirates with ultimates are shown on the puzzle standing list while only the top experienced pirates with ultimate standing are shown on the experience list." seems a little suspect to me, it seems to suggest you need to be an ultimate to appear on the top experience list? --Sporktacular 06:28, 29 November 2006 (PST)

Add a link
should add a link to the ultimate lists. --345tom 13:36, 17 August 2009 (UTC)


 * In principle yes. But the problem is, that there is no single page to link to. Linking to every combination of puzzle and ocean won't look good I guess, unless we find a compact way to do it. Hm, just using the puzzle icons in a table, one row per ocean ? --Alfwyn 13:50, 17 August 2009 (UTC)
 * I produced a proposed layout for this at User:Alfwyn/Sandbox. Do we want such a table on this page ? Would adding ocean color to it be a good idea ? If used, the current tablecode should be factored into a template of course, and for Crimson some of the puzzle icons would need replacement by empty placeholders. --Alfwyn 15:43, 18 August 2009 (UTC)
 * It looks good, I think the oceans need some colour somehow, ocean backgrounds for the rows sound ok.... And yes, crimson would have to miss some of them but oh well... --Lcawte 16:51, 18 August 2009 (UTC)
 * I agree - we need that table! With coloured backgrounds for each ocean it would look even better =D. Adrielle =) 00:32, 19 August 2009 (UTC)