Talk:Event E2

Third Person
Do event proposals seriously need to be in third person? I'd vote no, but that's just me.--Gloraelin 02:37, 12 January 2006 (PST)


 * I don't think so either. --Yaten talk 04:46, 12 January 2006 (PST)
 * I don't think it needs to be third person either. I do however think that we should put in that one tag that states that it could be subjected to opinion. --pevarnj (t/c) 05:58, 12 January 2006 (PST)


 * The fact that each entry in this contest has a big image at the top explaining that it's a contest entry & linking to the contest rules ought to be enough for most anybody to realize that these are not normal YPPedia articles. If we need to slap on more disclaimers than that, then I'm afraid for the future of the human race.--Fiddler 06:08, 12 January 2006 (PST)
 * Good point. I just thought maybe since there are so many opinions shown. --pevarnj (t/c) 06:19, 12 January 2006 (PST)


 * I don't believe more disclaimers are needed. It's clearly stated that it's a contest entry, not a factual article, plus the article name itself says "Event" and "Proposal".  I also feel like this discussion should be made either on the talk page of the contest or the contest template as it may be a little overwhelming to a user to have us arguing something more meta on this specific entry page when we're really discussing all of them.  I'm of the opinion that this arguing energy would be better spent fixing up pages that players actually search for and use for information. --Guppymomma 06:49, 12 January 2006 (PST)
 * Actually, given that in order for this discussion to occur people (or at least a person) had to read my proposal at some point...so this talk page gave me somewhat lukewarm fuzzies. (Even if the talk page discussion tangented towards point of view issues, of the merits of first versus third person.) Now I just need to harness this, somehow, and get people to rip my proposal, opposed to my POV, apart. --Shikyo

Answer.
I feel yes since this still is an encyclopedia. But please let an administrator be the judge of that.


 * To clarify, various admins have said this is fine. So, let's just leave it alone.  --Barrister 10:49, 12 January 2006 (PST)

Question
Are we allowed to submit two entries if we are capable of undertaking both at the same time?


 * Nope according to http://forums.puzzlepirates.com/community/mvnforum/viewthread?p=516570#516570 --Guppymomma 07:38, 24 January 2006 (PST)


 * whoops, forgot to check that until just before I came here to see the linky, sorry

Timing/Scheduling of Events
It's sort of a shame that so many events are happening so close together. I know that there are some people who would like to enter more contests than they can make time for at once... and I imagine other contests (like mine, or the animation one, or the food-sculpture one) would get more entries if people had more time to work on them.

For all the pre-posting and in-person talking up I did of my event, the notice board link generated way more attention than anything I could do, and the OMs put that up only 2 weeks before the deadline... not a lot of time for people to find out about it and then find adequate free time in their schedules to compose an entry.

This E2 thing is really cool, especially as it creates more activities/events/bonding for the YPP community, but it seems to me to be suffering a bit (at least this time 'round) by the compressed schedule.

Perhaps next time the events could be scheduled to take place over 5 or 6 weeks... making it more possible for interested pirates/crews/etc to enter several of the contests and giving adequate time for those entering the "creative" events to work on their submissions? --Astrolabe1 08:17, 2 March 2006 (PST)


 * It is, keep in mind, a competition amongst events. Competing for attention and participation is an aspect of that competition. Of course everyone can't enter all of the forum events. Which one(s) they choose should prove a good indicator of which ones seem the most fun, no? The compressed schedule is also an aspect of the competition - planning an event that would work well within the timelines and the guidelines was definitely part of the task. --Jacquilynne / Jasandrea 08:27, 2 March 2006 (PST)


 * True enough... and that does certainly seem to be happening -- so, of course, if that's an intended part of the E2, then all is well. I was just reacting to having heard a number of pirates bewail the fact that there were more contests they were interested in than time they had to give them... so clearly there's a balancing act going on. Thankfully, now that the rest of the E2 events are on the notice board, the ones that weren't yet posted there by the OMs last weekend seem to be starting to get their fair chance at some attention too. --Astrolabe1 13:04, 2 March 2006 (PST)

Fairness in Advertising
Next time, the E2 managers need to advise the OMs that all the E2 events should be posted on the Notice Board at the same time - not some one week and some the following week. This time round, a bit over half of them were posted there on a Thursday, the remaining not until the following Tuesday -- and that was a major flaw in the E2 compeition.

For all that posting on the YPP forums, posting on crew/flag forums, talking it up with everyone you see is good -- it's the Notice Board that is the single best advertisment. I did all that -- posting everywhere I knew and talking it up a lot -- and still, within 48 hours of my event (one of the ones shortchanged on advertising time) was posted, hits on the Forum event announcement had gone up over 6-fold.

And this was a drawback in several ways:
 * I expect a lot of people didn't realize that new events had been added on that Tuesday -- they saw the "big" list of events and didn't realize additions had been made. I talked to a few people who didn't know about my event for precisely this reason.
 * And, of course, the delay meant that people had less time to work on a potential event -- several people told me they'd have entered my event if they'd found out about it sooner.
 * And, thirdly, the delay meant that some people had already chosen to devote their time to one event before they discovered what all their options were. (At least two people said this to me -- that they would have entered my event instead if it had been posted with the "first half" of E2 events which made it to the notice board.)

I also noticed that several of the events which folded from "lack of participation" were those which (like mine) were posted 5 days later -- probably not a coincidence.

Taco's Event was great -- I'm not suggesting it won just because it got listed first. Lots of people clearly had fun with it. That's not my point.

But over the course of the competition - and the feedback I got on forums and in game about it - made it abundantly and increasingly clear that the "handicap" the E2 events had which were posted late by the OMs was actually a quite significant handicap, and introduced a substantial degree of unfairness (regardless of whether or not it affected the ultimate prize result) which it would be good to avoid if a similar E2 competition is run in future.


 * Yep, if I was a competitor in E2, I'd have marked myself down for organization on that one. There was confusion about when the forum posts were meant to be posted, and a bunch of people had theirs up early, and so I let it go and changed the timeline, but that meant that some things got on the notice board earlier, as well. Should someone else run E2 in the future, they should definitely control that more tightly. --Jacquilynne / Jasandrea 15:33, 27 March 2006 (PST)


 * In addition, there were also some problems with the automatic update of the events list which caused it to appear much later than it would have had it been working. If it had been working, your event would have been listed within 24 hours of your post.  --Artemis 07:51, 28 March 2006 (PST)